<< <i>They sure are taking their sweet time updating today. >>
Yes! I think they should get up at three a.m. and do the updates BEFORE they milk the cows!!!! >>
It posted about 7 our time. When do you think the bulk of it was written? Last evening or after 5 a.m. today? >>
I would assume that after the trial, Mr. Roach has dinner and then goes back to his room to write the story from his notes, since he cannot do it at the courhouse. When finished, he transmits it to Sidney.
The people in Sidney have lives, and are not going to sit in the newsroom until 10 P.M. waiting for the story so that they can edit it and post it. Instead, they come in early and edit it and post it.
Beats sitting down at the telegraph office waiting for the dits and the dahs.
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Be hard to pull an ace or two at this point. Between depositions and production of documents over the last 5 years, both attorneys know what all the experts will say; it's just a matter of having the jury hear it with dramatic presentation.
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Judge Davis announced that five visiting judges from the Ukraine would be attending the trial to observe, as they had read coverage of the trial in the media, and as Judge Davis said, “Wild horses couldn’t keep them away.”
The subject matter of the trial (whether or not the 10 double eagles were stolen or not and the events surrounding the minting of the 1933 double eagles) is exceedingly complex.
Hundreds of documents as trial exhibits, expert testimony (which will include testimony that would be hard for anyone to understand and easily follow) and the absence of any living witness who can testify from first hand knowledge about what happened at the mint in 1933. This situation makes for a case where either side can lose a jury's interest very quickly.
KISS (keep it simple stupid) would be the way to go in a case like this. Keep in mind what the government has to prove in the CAFRA forfeiture claim (that the ten double eagles are stolen property or the proceeds of same); sift through the evidence, seize upon those nuggets that cast doubt upon the conclusion that the 10 double eagles were stolen and present those nuggets to the jury in a way that it easily understood.
Lawsuits are a mix of highly structured, technical procedural rules that are almost mathematical in precision (very objective) and human beings (judge or jury) that are called upon to make a decision on who wins and who loses. The procedural rules and objective component of a case can be left behind when humans get involved. Humans like to be told a good story.
In a case like this, telling the jury the story of the 1933 double eagles is needed. Telling good stories is an art form. Effective trial attorneys (a rare breed) can read people, can present complex information and subject matters in a way that is easily understood and can make a positive connection with the judge or jury who is making the decision.
I wish that we could obtain a report from one or more persons attending the trial (i.e. Steve Roach) about how the jurors are reacting to the testimony given by Mr. Tripp so far (and future witnesses) and how they are reacting to the attorneys doing the questioning.
I handled a jury trial in March and during the trial I was so busy with the examination of witnesses that I was not able to spend much time observing the jury (particularly when I was asking questions of the witnesses). My wife attended part of the trial and watched the jury. She told me that one juror reacted very negatively to me and to my questioning. The vote of the jury was 11-1 in favor of my client. The person who voted against my client was the juror that reacted negatively to me.
<< <i>Be hard to pull an ace or two at this point. Between depositions and production of documents over the last 5 years, both attorneys know what all the experts will say; it's just a matter of having the jury hear it with dramatic presentation. >>
I was of the impression that RWB had found some documents which will give strong support to the Langbord side.
<< <i>Very interesting point made by Berke regarding the 1933 EAGLES. If the Mint records show only 4 released, why are there so many floating around? >>
Please see my comment on the preceding page. TD
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I still wonder how the jury sees Tripp's seemingly unshakable conviction that no 1933 double eagle left the Mint by legitimate means. Given missing records, problems with how the Mint kept records, "orphan documents" that seem to have systematically had their importance or the information they contain downplayed, and the inability to specifically say how other coins have left the Mint, I would think at least some of the jurors could question how someone can be so positive about what happened.
<< <i>Be hard to pull an ace or two at this point. Between depositions and production of documents over the last 5 years, both attorneys know what all the experts will say; it's just a matter of having the jury hear it with dramatic presentation. >>
I was of the impression that RWB had found some documents which will give strong support to the Langbord side. >>
Short of a document that allows gold coins from any year to be exchanged for coins of any other year, he will present a "window of opportunity" meaning one document that says 1933's are now in the safe for impending release and another issued a few days or weeks later that says don't release any 1933's. The government's focus is that the coins were stolen. or obtained illegally. RWB will state, infer, theorize that it wasn't illegal to obtain these coins during the window.
Whether it is legal to own these after the gold surrender is Part B.
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<< <i>Funny that no one has commented about the possibility that there might be 14 more out there somewhere. >>
There is another coin out there and the government is aware of the coin, but does not know where it is, IMHO.
I handled that coin in the 70's and had an opportunity to offer it again in the early 80's. I was unsuccessful in placing the item. The Secret Service has interviewed me about this, so I am sure that the USG knows about this.
I supplied pictures to both Tripp and Frankel and am "Ted" in Frankel's book.
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<< <i>Funny that no one has commented about the possibility that there might be 14 more out there somewhere. >>
There is another coin out there and the government is aware of the coin, but does not know where it is, IMHO.
I handled that coin in the 70's and had an opportunity to offer it again in the early 80's. I was unsuccessful in placing the item. The Secret Service has interviewed me about this, so I am sure that the USG knows about this.
I supplied pictures to both Tripp and Frankel and am "Ted" in Frankel's book. >>
There are docket entries from the clerk regarding the "clerk's minutes" of each day of trial. The information is very limited (i.e. government witness called to testify) and there is no ability to click and bring up a copy of the document.
Yesterday however a court order was filed in the case. Unfortunately the court order was "sealed". Thus the court order is off limits to the public.
I wonder what the sealed court order filed yesterday says.
I still want to see them bring in the Ghost Hunter (or whatever they're called) people from Discovery Channel to testify how Izzy put those coins in an SDB six years after he died...that should keep the jurors interested. (Still being the curmudgeon here).
The COIN WORLD article seems to paint the picture that the JUDGE thinks that the trial is a little out of control and BERKE is all over the place.
I've got to think BERKE knows EXACTLY where he he going. And always --in the back of his mind, or maybe the front......is looking for an opportunity to turn over a rock to find an ---- aHA MOMENT. An attorney such as BERKE does not utter a single word without that word having purpose.
With BERKE's experience and BURDETTE coaching him,---- if---- TRIPP can be tripped...it will indeed happen. My money is on BERKE and BURDETTE.
<< <i>I still want to see them bring in the Ghost Hunter (or whatever they're called) people from Discovery Channel to testify how Izzy put those coins in an SDB six years after he died...that should keep the jurors interested. (Still being the curmudgeon here). >>
What do the records show about who rented the SDB and when and at what times was it accessed? I think it would be hard to prove who put what into it or took something out of it or when it was done.
<< <i>I still want to see them bring in the Ghost Hunter (or whatever they're called) people from Discovery Channel to testify how Izzy put those coins in an SDB six years after he died...that should keep the jurors interested. (Still being the curmudgeon here). >>
What do the records show about who rented the SDB and when and at what times was it accessed? I think it would be hard to prove who put what into it or took something out of it or when it was done. >>
How likely is it that the records would show that the people who had access to the SDB are also the plaintiffs? If it were true, would it be enough to say that everyone who accessed the SDB is also a plaintiff?
<< <i>The COIN WORLD article seems to paint the picture that the JUDGE thinks that the trial is a little out of control and BERKE is all over the place.
I've got to think BERKE knows EXACTLY where he he going. And always --in the back of his mind, or maybe the front......is looking for an opportunity to turn over a rock to find an ---- aHA MOMENT. An attorney such as BERKE does not utter a single word without that word having purpose.
With BERKE's experience and BURDETTE coaching him,---- if---- TRIPP can be tripped...it will indeed happen. My money is on BERKE and BURDETTE. >>
I don't think the judge understood where he was going with the eggs. Can anyone explain this?
<< <i>After reading all of the coin world postings to date about the trial, I wonder if the Langbord's are second guessing their choice of attorney . Seems to be throwing a lot dirt into the air hoping create a cloud of doubt. Of course, that is only the impression I get from Roach's perspective. >>
Being that Tripp is the government witness, I would expect Berke to make Tripp's testimony appear confusing, hard to follow and possibly uncredible, thereby allowing Langbord's witnesses to seem more credible.
<< <i>Funny that no one has commented about the possibility that there might be 14 more out there somewhere. >>
There is another coin out there and the government is aware of the coin, but does not know where it is, IMHO.
I handled that coin in the 70's and had an opportunity to offer it again in the early 80's. I was unsuccessful in placing the item. The Secret Service has interviewed me about this, so I am sure that the USG knows about this.
I supplied pictures to both Tripp and Frankel and am "Ted" in Frankel's book. >>
So, you misplaced it? >>
No, he "placed it."
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There are docket entries from the clerk regarding the "clerk's minutes" of each day of trial. The information is very limited (i.e. government witness called to testify) and there is no ability to click and bring up a copy of the document.
Yesterday however a court order was filed in the case. Unfortunately the court order was "sealed". Thus the court order is off limits to the public.
I wonder what the sealed court order filed yesterday says. >>
Curiouser and curiouser!!!
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<< <i>Funny that no one has commented about the possibility that there might be 14 more out there somewhere. >>
There is another coin out there and the government is aware of the coin, but does not know where it is, IMHO.
I handled that coin in the 70's and had an opportunity to offer it again in the early 80's. I was unsuccessful in placing the item. The Secret Service has interviewed me about this, so I am sure that the USG knows about this.
I supplied pictures to both Tripp and Frankel and am "Ted" in Frankel's book. >>
There are docket entries from the clerk regarding the "clerk's minutes" of each day of trial. The information is very limited (i.e. government witness called to testify) and there is no ability to click and bring up a copy of the document.
Yesterday however a court order was filed in the case. Unfortunately the court order was "sealed". Thus the court order is off limits to the public.
I wonder what the sealed court order filed yesterday says. >>
Curiouser and curiouser!!! >>
Good thing it's free to speculate so we can be free to speculate.
could it be a secret the government wants to be kept quiet?
(or could it be something mundane, like admissibility admonitions?)
I suspect that the sealed court order may have to do with the 10 double eagles being brought to court for the jury, judge, lawyers and parties to see.
I understand that Tripp will be back on the stand tomorrow for redirect examination.
If the government chooses to not present additional experts to testify after Tripp finishes with his redirect and his recross examination; and if the government calls no lay witnesses (ie. the Langbords), then expect the government to rest its case and the Langbords to start presenting their defense next week.
I also understand that the jury has been very attentive so far (after appearing a little bored on earlier in the trial).
<< <i>I stand corrected. Tripp finished his testimony today including redirect and recross examination.
Not sure what the government will do tomorrow. >>
Fly the jury to Fort Knox to see the coins?
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We have placed our coverage of the July 14 testimony in the 1933 double eagle trial online at our website. Pay us a visit and read it. Additional coverage will be posted Saturday morning.
"Upon the jury’s return from lunch, the courtroom was different; filled with new people and with greater security. Those observing the trial were required to sit in three rows in the rear of the room, Judge Davis announced that both sides agreed to a stipulation — that the coins in front of the jury were the 10 1933 double eagles at issue in this case."
Thank you to Coin World for providing such an excellent summary of the case as it progresses.
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This is moving right along.... did not expect it to be quite this fast.... If the government rests it's case today, then the Langbord's will start on Monday... one week should be sufficient for that (maybe a couple more days) and then it goes to the jury. I know, it is never that simple... Cheers, RickO
<< <i>It simply astounds me that an 'expert' can blow off a smoking gun document by calling it 'orphan'. It's there in black and white that the Mint was allowing gold for gold exchange. >>
I agree with TDN.
Apparently Mr. Tripp's definition of an "orphan document" is a document that directly contradicts the position he is taking in the case.
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<< <i>Tripp’s employment again became the subject of questioning, with Tripp stating that Sotheby’s — his former employer — has been one of his clients. Berke brought up an August 2005 statement in which Tripp said that if the Langbords prevail and there are 10 more 1933 double eagles, that the value of each would go down because of supply and demand. ...
... Berke suggested that Tripp’s research to support the position that no 1933 double eagles left the Mint legally was to protect the anonymous buyer of the “Farouk” 1933 double eagle. >>
I wonder if showing the coins at this point in the trial is a distraction to the testimony.
I would have shown them at the beginning. What do you all think?
TD
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I really don't understand what was accomplished by bringing the coins in and showing them to the jury. Just looking at them doesn't provide any better idea of their history.
" Romero asked Tripp if he was approached by any other party about being a witness.
Berke quickly objected and a sidebar conference at the judge’s bench followed. After several minutes, the jury was excused and it was revealed that after the announcement that the 10 Langbord coins were found, Tripp was contacted by both the government and Berke. Berke had left Tripp a voice mail message saying that he might be contacted in the future. While Berke said it could have been about many things as they had previously worked together on Illegal Tender, Tripp understood that it was likely about being an expert in the litigation.
While Berke’s call to Tripp spoke directly to Berke’s assault on Tripp’s professional competence over the prior three days in the cross examination, Judge Davis decided to not allow the question, and the jury returned to the room." (From coin world article)
This bit of information I found very interesting. A good question for the government to ask to establish Tripp as an expert witness, but the judge not allowing it is not a great thing for the government.
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<< <i>" Romero asked Tripp if he was approached by any other party about being a witness.
Berke quickly objected and a sidebar conference at the judge’s bench followed. After several minutes, the jury was excused and it was revealed that after the announcement that the 10 Langbord coins were found, Tripp was contacted by both the government and Berke. Berke had left Tripp a voice mail message saying that he might be contacted in the future. While Berke said it could have been about many things as they had previously worked together on Illegal Tender, Tripp understood that it was likely about being an expert in the litigation.
While Berke’s call to Tripp spoke directly to Berke’s assault on Tripp’s professional competence over the prior three days in the cross examination, Judge Davis decided to not allow the question, and the jury returned to the room." (From coin world article)
This bit of information I found very interesting. A good question for the government to ask to estimate Tripp as an expert witness, but the judge not allowing it is not a great thing for the government. >>
Why would the judge not allow this? It seems like pertinent information. If you were a juror, would you want to know this?
<< <i>" Romero asked Tripp if he was approached by any other party about being a witness.
Berke quickly objected and a sidebar conference at the judge’s bench followed. After several minutes, the jury was excused and it was revealed that after the announcement that the 10 Langbord coins were found, Tripp was contacted by both the government and Berke. Berke had left Tripp a voice mail message saying that he might be contacted in the future. While Berke said it could have been about many things as they had previously worked together on Illegal Tender, Tripp understood that it was likely about being an expert in the litigation.
While Berke’s call to Tripp spoke directly to Berke’s assault on Tripp’s professional competence over the prior three days in the cross examination, Judge Davis decided to not allow the question, and the jury returned to the room." (From coin world article)
This bit of information I found very interesting. A good question for the government to ask to estimate Tripp as an expert witness, but the judge not allowing it is not a great thing for the government. >>
Sounds like no actual conversation took place, so any speculation by Tripp as to why he THINKS Berke called would be unsupported. Maybe Berke called him to sell Girl Scout Cookies on behalf of his daughter.
TD
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<< <i>They sure are taking their sweet time updating today.
Yes! I think they should get up at three a.m. and do the updates BEFORE they milk the cows!!!! >>
It posted about 7 our time. When do you think the bulk of it was written? Last evening or after 5 a.m. today? >>
I would assume that after the trial, Mr. Roach has dinner and then goes back to his room to write the story from his notes, since he cannot do it at the courhouse. When finished, he transmits it to Sidney.
The people in Sidney have lives, and are not going to sit in the newsroom until 10 P.M. waiting for the story so that they can edit it and post it. Instead, they come in early and edit it and post it.
Beats sitting down at the telegraph office waiting for the dits and the dahs.
This is a hotter trial than I thought.
I hope cointelevision is covering it.
fun time
Where is the guy going with the price of eggs comparison??
state your opinions, please.
Hundreds of documents as trial exhibits, expert testimony (which will include testimony that would be hard for anyone to understand and easily follow) and the absence of any living witness who can testify from first hand knowledge about what happened at the mint in 1933. This situation makes for a case where either side can lose a jury's interest very quickly.
KISS (keep it simple stupid) would be the way to go in a case like this. Keep in mind what the government has to prove in the CAFRA forfeiture claim (that the ten double eagles are stolen property or the proceeds of same); sift through the evidence, seize upon those nuggets that cast doubt upon the conclusion that the 10 double eagles were stolen and present those nuggets to the jury in a way that it easily understood.
Lawsuits are a mix of highly structured, technical procedural rules that are almost mathematical in precision (very objective) and human beings (judge or jury) that are called upon to make a decision on who wins and who loses. The procedural rules and objective component of a case can be left behind when humans get involved. Humans like to be told a good story.
In a case like this, telling the jury the story of the 1933 double eagles is needed. Telling good stories is an art form. Effective trial attorneys (a rare breed) can read people, can present complex information and subject matters in a way that is easily understood and can make a positive connection with the judge or jury who is making the decision.
I wish that we could obtain a report from one or more persons attending the trial (i.e. Steve Roach) about how the jurors are reacting to the testimony given by Mr. Tripp so far (and future witnesses) and how they are reacting to the attorneys doing the questioning.
I handled a jury trial in March and during the trial I was so busy with the examination of witnesses that I was not able to spend much time observing the jury (particularly when I was asking questions of the witnesses). My wife attended part of the trial and watched the jury. She told me that one juror reacted very negatively to me and to my questioning. The vote of the jury was 11-1 in favor of my client. The person who voted against my client was the juror that reacted negatively to me.
This is a point everybody on the jury can simply understand.....
<< <i>Be hard to pull an ace or two at this point. Between depositions and production of documents over the last 5 years, both attorneys know what all the experts will say; it's just a matter of having the jury hear it with dramatic presentation. >>
I was of the impression that RWB had found some documents which will give strong support to the Langbord side.
<< <i>Very interesting point made by Berke regarding the 1933 EAGLES. If the Mint records show only 4 released, why are there so many floating around? >>
Please see my comment on the preceding page.
TD
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<< <i>Be hard to pull an ace or two at this point. Between depositions and production of documents over the last 5 years, both attorneys know what all the experts will say; it's just a matter of having the jury hear it with dramatic presentation. >>
I was of the impression that RWB had found some documents which will give strong support to the Langbord side. >>
Short of a document that allows gold coins from any year to be exchanged for coins of any other year, he will present a "window of opportunity" meaning one document that says 1933's are now in the safe for impending release and another issued a few days or weeks later that says don't release any 1933's. The government's focus is that the coins were stolen. or obtained illegally. RWB will state, infer, theorize that it wasn't illegal to obtain these coins during the window.
Whether it is legal to own these after the gold surrender is Part B.
I don't want to change the subject, but that is one beautiful coin. Can you tell me what it is. Your avatar.
thanks
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<< <i>Funny that no one has commented about the possibility that there might be 14 more out there somewhere. >>
There is another coin out there and the government is aware of the coin, but does not know where it is, IMHO.
I handled that coin in the 70's and had an opportunity to offer it again in the early 80's. I was unsuccessful in placing the item. The Secret Service has interviewed me about this, so I am sure that the USG knows about this.
I supplied pictures to both Tripp and Frankel and am "Ted" in Frankel's book.
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I don't want to change the subject, but that is one beautiful coin. Can you tell me what it is. Your avatar.
thanks
Silvertime >>
This one?
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<< <i>Funny that no one has commented about the possibility that there might be 14 more out there somewhere. >>
There is another coin out there and the government is aware of the coin, but does not know where it is, IMHO.
I handled that coin in the 70's and had an opportunity to offer it again in the early 80's. I was unsuccessful in placing the item. The Secret Service has interviewed me about this, so I am sure that the USG knows about this.
I supplied pictures to both Tripp and Frankel and am "Ted" in Frankel's book. >>
So, you misplaced it?
There are docket entries from the clerk regarding the "clerk's minutes" of each day of trial. The information is very limited (i.e. government witness called to testify) and there is no ability to click and bring up a copy of the document.
Yesterday however a court order was filed in the case. Unfortunately the court order was "sealed". Thus the court order is off limits to the public.
I wonder what the sealed court order filed yesterday says.
I've got to think BERKE knows EXACTLY where he he going. And always --in the back of his mind, or maybe the front......is looking for an opportunity to turn over a rock to find an
---- aHA MOMENT. An attorney such as BERKE does not utter a single word without that word having purpose.
With BERKE's experience and BURDETTE coaching him,---- if---- TRIPP can be tripped...it will indeed happen. My money is on BERKE and BURDETTE.
<< <i>I still want to see them bring in the Ghost Hunter (or whatever they're called) people from Discovery Channel to testify how Izzy put those coins in an SDB six years after he died...that should keep the jurors interested. (Still being the curmudgeon here).
What do the records show about who rented the SDB and when and at what times was it accessed? I think it would be hard to prove who put what into it or took something out of it or when it was done.
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<< <i>I still want to see them bring in the Ghost Hunter (or whatever they're called) people from Discovery Channel to testify how Izzy put those coins in an SDB six years after he died...that should keep the jurors interested. (Still being the curmudgeon here).
What do the records show about who rented the SDB and when and at what times was it accessed? I think it would be hard to prove who put what into it or took something out of it or when it was done. >>
How likely is it that the records would show that the people who had access to the SDB are also the plaintiffs? If it were true, would it be enough to say that everyone who accessed the SDB is also a plaintiff?
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fun time
Where is the guy going with the price of eggs comparison??
state your opinions, please. >>
The Chewbacca Defense!
<< <i>The COIN WORLD article seems to paint the picture that the JUDGE thinks that the trial is a little out of control and BERKE is all over the place.
I've got to think BERKE knows EXACTLY where he he going. And always --in the back of his mind, or maybe the front......is looking for an opportunity to turn over a rock to find an
---- aHA MOMENT. An attorney such as BERKE does not utter a single word without that word having purpose.
With BERKE's experience and BURDETTE coaching him,---- if---- TRIPP can be tripped...it will indeed happen. My money is on BERKE and BURDETTE. >>
I don't think the judge understood where he was going with the eggs. Can anyone explain this?
<< <i>After reading all of the coin world postings to date about the trial, I wonder if the Langbord's are
second guessing their choice of attorney . Seems to be throwing a lot dirt into the air hoping
create a cloud of doubt. Of course, that is only the impression I get from Roach's perspective. >>
Being that Tripp is the government witness, I would expect Berke to make Tripp's testimony appear confusing, hard to follow and possibly uncredible, thereby allowing Langbord's witnesses to seem more credible.
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<< <i>Funny that no one has commented about the possibility that there might be 14 more out there somewhere. >>
There is another coin out there and the government is aware of the coin, but does not know where it is, IMHO.
I handled that coin in the 70's and had an opportunity to offer it again in the early 80's. I was unsuccessful in placing the item. The Secret Service has interviewed me about this, so I am sure that the USG knows about this.
I supplied pictures to both Tripp and Frankel and am "Ted" in Frankel's book. >>
So, you misplaced it?
No, he "placed it."
<< <i>Just checked the court docket for the case.
There are docket entries from the clerk regarding the "clerk's minutes" of each day of trial. The information is very limited (i.e. government witness called to testify) and there is no ability to click and bring up a copy of the document.
Yesterday however a court order was filed in the case. Unfortunately the court order was "sealed". Thus the court order is off limits to the public.
I wonder what the sealed court order filed yesterday says. >>
Curiouser and curiouser!!!
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<< <i>Funny that no one has commented about the possibility that there might be 14 more out there somewhere. >>
There is another coin out there and the government is aware of the coin, but does not know where it is, IMHO.
I handled that coin in the 70's and had an opportunity to offer it again in the early 80's. I was unsuccessful in placing the item. The Secret Service has interviewed me about this, so I am sure that the USG knows about this.
I supplied pictures to both Tripp and Frankel and am "Ted" in Frankel's book. >>
So, you misplaced it?
No, he "placed it."
sure.
but where?
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<< <i>Just checked the court docket for the case.
There are docket entries from the clerk regarding the "clerk's minutes" of each day of trial. The information is very limited (i.e. government witness called to testify) and there is no ability to click and bring up a copy of the document.
Yesterday however a court order was filed in the case. Unfortunately the court order was "sealed". Thus the court order is off limits to the public.
I wonder what the sealed court order filed yesterday says. >>
Curiouser and curiouser!!! >>
Good thing it's free to speculate so we can be free to speculate.
could it be a secret the government wants to be kept quiet?
(or could it be something mundane, like admissibility admonitions?)
I understand that Tripp will be back on the stand tomorrow for redirect examination.
If the government chooses to not present additional experts to testify after Tripp finishes with his redirect and his recross examination; and if the government calls no lay witnesses (ie. the Langbords), then expect the government to rest its case and the Langbords to start presenting their defense next week.
I also understand that the jury has been very attentive so far (after appearing a little bored on earlier in the trial).
Not sure what the government will do tomorrow.
On a different note one of the finest collection of Saints will be auctioned by Heritage Auctions at the January 2012 FUN Convention
In Orlando Florida. It is the Dr. And Mrs Steven Duckor collection listed on the PCGS Set Registry.
Stewart Blay
<< <i>I stand corrected. Tripp finished his testimony today including redirect and recross examination.
Not sure what the government will do tomorrow. >>
Fly the jury to Fort Knox to see the coins?
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<< <i>I stand corrected. Tripp finished his testimony today including redirect and recross examination.
Not sure what the government will do tomorrow. >>
Fly the jury to Fort Knox to see the coins? >>
Probably cheaper than transporting and paying to guard the coins at the court house... nope, they will use the expensive route
William T. Gibbs, News Editor
Coin World
"Upon the jury’s return from lunch, the courtroom was different; filled with new people and with greater security. Those observing the trial were required to sit in three rows in the rear of the room, Judge Davis announced that both sides agreed to a stipulation — that the coins in front of the jury were the 10 1933 double eagles at issue in this case."
Thank you to Coin World for providing such an excellent summary of the case as it progresses.
<< <i>It simply astounds me that an 'expert' can blow off a smoking gun document by calling it 'orphan'. It's there in black and white that the Mint was allowing gold for gold exchange. >>
I agree with TDN.
Apparently Mr. Tripp's definition of an "orphan document" is a document that directly contradicts the position he is taking in the case.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
<< <i>Tripp’s employment again became the subject of questioning, with Tripp stating that Sotheby’s — his former employer — has been one of his clients. Berke brought up an August 2005 statement in which Tripp said that if the Langbords prevail and there are 10 more 1933 double eagles, that the value of each would go down because of supply and demand. ...
... Berke suggested that Tripp’s research to support the position that no 1933 double eagles left the Mint legally was to protect the anonymous buyer of the “Farouk” 1933 double eagle. >>
Ouch!
I would have shown them at the beginning. What do you all think?
TD
<< <i>I wonder if showing the coins at this point in the trial is a distraction to the testimony.
I would have shown them at the beginning. What do you all think?
TD >>
Can you picture some woman juror blurting out, "gee, they don't look stolen".
Berke quickly objected and a sidebar conference at the judge’s bench followed. After several minutes, the jury was excused and it was revealed that after the announcement that the 10 Langbord coins were found, Tripp was contacted by both the government and Berke. Berke had left Tripp a voice mail message saying that he might be contacted in the future. While Berke said it could have been about many things as they had previously worked together on Illegal Tender, Tripp understood that it was likely about being an expert in the litigation.
While Berke’s call to Tripp spoke directly to Berke’s assault on Tripp’s professional competence over the prior three days in the cross examination, Judge Davis decided to not allow the question, and the jury returned to the room." (From coin world article)
This bit of information I found very interesting. A good question for the government to ask to establish Tripp as an expert witness, but the judge not allowing it is not a great thing for the government.
<< <i>" Romero asked Tripp if he was approached by any other party about being a witness.
Berke quickly objected and a sidebar conference at the judge’s bench followed. After several minutes, the jury was excused and it was revealed that after the announcement that the 10 Langbord coins were found, Tripp was contacted by both the government and Berke. Berke had left Tripp a voice mail message saying that he might be contacted in the future. While Berke said it could have been about many things as they had previously worked together on Illegal Tender, Tripp understood that it was likely about being an expert in the litigation.
While Berke’s call to Tripp spoke directly to Berke’s assault on Tripp’s professional competence over the prior three days in the cross examination, Judge Davis decided to not allow the question, and the jury returned to the room." (From coin world article)
This bit of information I found very interesting. A good question for the government to ask to estimate Tripp as an expert witness, but the judge not allowing it is not a great thing for the government. >>
Why would the judge not allow this? It seems like pertinent information. If you were a juror, would you want to know this?
<< <i>" Romero asked Tripp if he was approached by any other party about being a witness.
Berke quickly objected and a sidebar conference at the judge’s bench followed. After several minutes, the jury was excused and it was revealed that after the announcement that the 10 Langbord coins were found, Tripp was contacted by both the government and Berke. Berke had left Tripp a voice mail message saying that he might be contacted in the future. While Berke said it could have been about many things as they had previously worked together on Illegal Tender, Tripp understood that it was likely about being an expert in the litigation.
While Berke’s call to Tripp spoke directly to Berke’s assault on Tripp’s professional competence over the prior three days in the cross examination, Judge Davis decided to not allow the question, and the jury returned to the room." (From coin world article)
This bit of information I found very interesting. A good question for the government to ask to estimate Tripp as an expert witness, but the judge not allowing it is not a great thing for the government. >>
Sounds like no actual conversation took place, so any speculation by Tripp as to why he THINKS Berke called would be unsupported. Maybe Berke called him to sell Girl Scout Cookies on behalf of his daughter.
TD
Berke was obviously prepared for this question to be asked.
It would have been cool to see the coins.....