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A Few Coins from my Favorite Era of US Coinage; the mid-1830s through mid-1840s

TomBTomB Posts: 22,939 ✭✭✭✭✭
I realize that the coins shared and the time period written about in this thread are not from the birth of our nation, but it might yet be an appropriate post to start on Independence Day. If your grammar school, middle school and high school history classes were like mine then the time period through the War of 1812 was heavily studied, which was almost immediately followed by the immediate causes of the Civil War with only a very brief mention of the intervening forty years. These years might as well have fallen into a black hole or otherwise be thought of as the backwater of US history. I won’t delve into the history of the nation during this time period, but it was fascinating as was the history of the US Mint and its various coinage products.

This historic niche makes the coins produced in this era interesting, but the changes in personnel, design and technology also make for a vibrant collecting opportunity. My personal numismatic journey has focused on various series or eras including early , high grade Washington quarters, matte proof Lincoln cents and original, wonderfully toned twentieth century coinage. A common thread was always the chase for unperturbed surfaces and an attractive look. Commencing perhaps a dozen years ago I charged headlong into the study of US type and that is where I have found my numismatic home. My goal is to deconstruct any potential purchase and use an analytical eye with respect to the surfaces of the piece and how those surfaces might have come about over time.

I’m picky, I’ll state that upfront. As a consequence of this collecting and dealing philosophy I look at or examine large numbers of coins, but not many of those coins are subsequently purchased by me, either for my collection or for the collections of my clients. Following are some examples of pieces that have “made the cut” as it were, and that have found themselves tucked away into my own collection. They may not have the “WOW!” factor for every collector, but they sure appear uber-cool to me

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In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623
    I love this period too I just can't afford much of it. Nice coins esp the 39-o and here is one of mine
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  • One bit of history that gets illuminated quite a bit in those black hole years is the discovery of gold in California.
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  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gorgeous coins, TomB! Love the look of that Seated dime. May I ask the grade?
  • scotty1419scotty1419 Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭


    << <i>One bit of history that gets illuminated quite a bit in those black hole years is the discovery of gold in California. >>



    Hello Dahlonega as well image
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Those are all great examples of originality and beautiful designs of that period; thanks for posting them!

    If I had not been following posts by you, RYK and others here I probably wouldn't have bought this:

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,939 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow! There are some beautiful coins added to this thread. Even the one deleted by crypto79 was very cool! imageimage I guess I should have added the grades when the coins were posted. Here they are, in order of appearance-

    1839 Half-Dime MS65
    1836 Dime MS64
    1838 Dime No Drapery MS64
    1838 Half Dollar AU55
    1838 Half Dollar MS63
    1839-O Half Dollar EF45
    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They may not have the “WOW!” factor for every collector, but they sure appear uber-cool to me >>



    Depends on ones definition of "WOW" factor. If it is a dipped coin with secondary so-called rainbow toning, they can have all they want.
    I'll take this "drab" original look any day. Good stuff.
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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1839 half dime has a "satiny" look to me; I have an 1840 AU dime with a similar appearance; is that common to HD and dimes around that time, in your experience?

    Your 1839-O looks very high end for EF. That's one heck of a coin. How long did it take to find that one?
  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623


    << <i>Wow! There are some beautiful coins added to this thread. Even the one deleted by crypto79 was very cool! imageimage I guess I should have added the grades when the coins were posted. Here they are, in order of appearance-

    1839 Half-Dime MS65
    1836 Dime MS64
    1838 Dime No Drapery MS64
    1838 Half Dollar AU55
    1838 Half Dollar MS63
    1839-O Half Dollar EF45 >>



    I had just posted the 40(o) to a low ball thread and didn't want to be called a spammer image that being said I can't not believe on a stack of bibles that that your 1839o Half is only (graded) xf45.
    I had to have the pair 39o & 40(o) in my collection so I found them as low grade as I could because I put most of my monies into Trade $1s. Now I would love to add a 39 reeded half with small letters Rev to complete my little set but I not so sure if that will happen. Here is my 39o, it is what it is.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭✭
    nice coins

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wonderful coins, Tom. That half dime is stunning!

    I love coins from this era. I've thought of building an 1839 set. I have all five large cents, a $5g from Charlotte, two CBH's, a seated half (w/ drapery). Lots left to acquire, including pricey gold. Guess I'll have to consider this some more.
    Lance.

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  • breakdownbreakdown Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A great thread with some beauties. Tom, if I had to pick a favorite of the ones you posted, I would select the 1836 dime and the 1838 half in MS63. Thanks for sharing.image

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  • StupidStupid Posts: 559 ✭✭✭
    Nice coins and images. I guess you can never have too many RE halves!

    Here is one that barely squeaks into your date range.

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beautiful 1839 half, Lance!
  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,649 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice material in this thread. image
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  • BigMooseBigMoose Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭
    TomB, great coins--now you need to add some nice 1839 Large Cents. A Booby head, Silly Head, Head of 1838, and a Head of 1840 would look great with your grouping. TomT.
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,939 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nice coins and images. I guess you can never have too many RE halves! >>



    Yes, I even have more that I didn't post to this thread.imageimage Additionally, I sold a killer 1837 RE half recently to another board member and it would have looked splendid with these coins.

    A couple folks have mentioned the 1839-O in EF45 and yes, it also appears to me to be better than any other EF coin I have ever seen. It would populate any virtual box of twenty grouping that I could put together. This is an issue that I always inspect when they are for sale and I'd venture to say that it took six years or so of searching before this one turned up in auction and I had to bid mightily for it, but that was a good strategy.
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    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,939 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>TomB, great coins--now you need to add some nice 1839 Large Cents. A Booby head, Silly Head, Head of 1838, and a Head of 1840 would look great with your grouping. TomT. >>



    Now you're just killing me!image
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    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,375 ✭✭✭✭
    Here are a few of my favs:

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  • breakdownbreakdown Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Nice coins and images. I guess you can never have too many RE halves! >>



    Yes, I even have more that I didn't post to this thread.imageimage Additionally, I sold a killer 1837 RE half recently to another board member and it would have looked splendid with these coins.

    A couple folks have mentioned the 1839-O in EF45 and yes, it also appears to me to be better than any other EF coin I have ever seen. It would populate any virtual box of twenty grouping that I could put together. This is an issue that I always inspect when they are for sale and I'd venture to say that it took six years or so of searching before this one turned up in auction and I had to bid mightily for it, but that was a good strategy. >>



    In fact, the board member took out the 1837 Reeded Edge and enjoyed it again after reading this. I'd post a photo if I had one -- thanks again, Tom.image

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great thread, great coins posted! This transitional era has always facinated me, and led me to assemble a very
    nice slabbed set of all major large cent dates and varieties from 1830 to 1843 (which I have never bothered to photograph, perhaps someday). But here are few other coins to add to the thread. A few of these have been sold to forum members, but I retain the right to show pics image

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  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,327 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great post Tom. I agree that much of history skips over this time frame, which was very important in setting the stage for the horrible conflict to follow. The coinage from that time is among the most beautiful the country ever made. You know I love that 1839-O. I posted some of my own from that time period that made the cut for my collection. image

    Happy Independence Day!

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    GREAT thread and an interesting time in US history......................MJ

    A couple of mine

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Those are sure WOW coins to me......and I really love the 1839-O half. If I were doing a box of 20 that coin would be in it!
  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623


    << <i>Those are sure WOW coins to me......and I really love the 1839-O half. If I were doing a box of 20 that coin would be in it! >>



    I can only assume you are talking about my 39-o and to that I say thanks. Don't give up hope, with time, limited budget and with little regard towards quality you can find one just like mine one day if you're lucky image
  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    Nice coins!
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  • cardinalcardinal Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>TomB, great coins--now you need to add some nice 1839 Large Cents. A Booby head, Silly Head, Head of 1838, and a Head of 1840 would look great with your grouping. TomT. >>



    Well...here are some photos for the time being:

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  • jhdflajhdfla Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭
    Great thread, and some wonderful copper cardinal!

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  • BigMooseBigMoose Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭
    Martin, your 1839 Large Cents are fabulous! Do you have any plans to display your Early, Middle, or Late Dates anytime soon?? TomT.
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    Check out some of my 1794 Large Cents on www.coingallery.org
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    TomB, excellent coinage in your collection....I really like that '36 dime. Reminds me of the toning often seen on original Victorian groats and sixpences of that error.


    Cardinal, I had to do a double take on your 1839 (Head of '38). The color is so very close to the 1837 N13 I once owned. The '37 came by way of Flynn-Naftzger-Reynolds. Looks like Naf. like the sea-green copper.


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  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,327 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Killer cents...wow!
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it's pretty neat that 2 gorgeous MS 1840 halves showed up for the party. How many of those are out there.... in original condition?
  • Tom B love seeing your coins as always. Also a favorite era of mine also, here are a few of mine and I hope to compose more as time permits.

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    an 1837 I have had for a long time
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    Just a totally original and lustrous 1838, photo does not do this one justice.
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    And not the highest graded but one of the least problematic of the 10 known of a very tough coin.
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    Glad to see there is some excitement for this "dull" period in the mint's history.
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  • Just stumbled across this Very Early Die Stage of Tom's 1838 top coin the JR-1. This is a very prooflike with a very thin obverse crack and the reverse crack that stops at the claws and is fairly heavy even onits initial strikes. Probably a die making problem it would appear.

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    Not a coin with great toning as I would prefer and the reflective surfaces tend to show more hairlines than I prefer but sometimes you gotta take what you can get.
    Reeded Edge halves by die variety
  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Great thread, and some wonderful copper cardinal!

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    What a wonderful looking coin !
    Restruck date ? Roller marks ? Adds character to an already charming piece !
  • deviousdevious Posts: 1,690
    Nice group of coins there, Tom! I like the 1836 10c. If I were collecting those, that would be the look I'd want!
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,939 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Folks should take a good, hard look at all the coins posted by HalfCollector. This is especially true of the JR-1 1838 PL and JR-1 1839 Small Letters Reverse. The JR-1 1838 is not a rare coin, but with PL surfaces it just might be unique. Similarly, the 1839 RE half is hardly impossible to find, but only a handful of Small Letters Reverse coins are known. These are special coins! Thank you for posting these.
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    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623


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    this is one of my dream coins and the reason I went out and found a low grade 1840 (o) as it is almost a counter coin as the 39 small letters is a CBH obv & a SLH Rev and my coin is a SLH obv & a CBH REV although mine is formed form a disorganization new branch mint and the other one is probably a pattern. I will go and add my coin back to the thread image

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  • SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Have you ever opened a thread with the thought - "yeah, right" and been happily surprised? Dang, I know we are not supposed to say coins are sexy anymore, but there are some lookers up there me thinks.
  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like that era of coinage as well. One of the things you can ponder, as you look at these wonderfully preserved mint state specimens...is that organized Numismatics was unheard of during that period. The pieces that were saved uncirculated were held by the first collectors in the country from new...and passed down the chain of numismatists to the present day.

    In many ways, the act of preservation impresses me more than the actual coin itself.


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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    Here are a couple of mine:

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