GTG Oregon Commem

Monstarcoins · June 13, 2011 8:22AM

This coin was graded in a nightmare submission. The whole submission was something I hope to forget. I passed this one around at Central States and most people agreed I need to send this one back in. If I do send it in it will NOT be going back to NGC. Before I decide on what to do I would love to hear your opinions on the grade of this coin. Scour it for abrasions and you might find one of two.....even under a 13X Loupe. The luster is great and obviously it does have eye appeal. Thanks for your opinions! I really appreciate it.

llafoe · June 13, 2011 8:26AM

I think there's something wrong with your camera... it obscured the grade?

I love toning but I hate grading toners... MS65-67?

LotsoLuck · June 13, 2011 8:27AM

Its graded 64 and should be a 66

Phaethon · June 13, 2011 8:28AM

MS-66 IMO

PCGS = shorter nightmares

agentjim007 · June 13, 2011 8:34AM

they saw something

stealer · June 13, 2011 8:43AM

Is that a rim bump near "AMERICA" on the obverse?

llafoe · June 13, 2011 8:45AM

<< Is that a rim bump near "AMERICA" on the obverse? >>

If the toning isn't creating an optical illusion... I see it!

Monstarcoins · June 13, 2011 8:45AM

No rim bump...This coin is 100% Problem free

llafoe · June 13, 2011 8:47AM

<< No rim bump...This coin is 100% Problem free >>

Do you see what he's referring to... from the bottom of the R in DOLLAR to the top of the A in AMERICA?

stealer · June 13, 2011 8:48AM

Not to say you're wrong but it doesn't seem like the rim is a full circle,
there appears to be an indent in the area I described. Maybe just an artifact of the image.
On another not just because it has a slight rim bump doesn't mean it'll be bagged right?
Won't TPGs just knock a couple points off?

stealer · June 13, 2011 8:59AM

Guess the grade.

truthteller · June 13, 2011 9:03AM

<< Not to say you're wrong but it doesn't seem like the rim is a full circle,
there appears to be an indent in the area I described. Maybe just an artifact of the image.
On another not just because it has a slight rim bump doesn't mean it'll be bagged right?
Won't TPGs just knock a couple points off? >>

Oregon Trails are notorious for not having full circular rims, expecially in the pre 1938 issues. This is a die issue and not rim bumps or incomplete rims. In fact, it is a diagnostic for true Oregon Trails, expecially the scarcer dates such as the 1933D.

The coin should grade MS65

TRUTH

stealer · June 13, 2011 9:04AM

<< 

<< Not to say you're wrong but it doesn't seem like the rim is a full circle,
there appears to be an indent in the area I described. Maybe just an artifact of the image.
On another not just because it has a slight rim bump doesn't mean it'll be bagged right?
Won't TPGs just knock a couple points off? >>

Oregon Trails are notorious for not having full circular rims, expecially in the pre 1938 issues. This is a die issue and not rim bumps or incomplete rims. In fact, it is a diagnostic for true Oregon Trails, expecially the scarcer dates such as the 1933D.

The coin should grade MS65

TRUTH >>

Thanks truth

Monstarcoins · June 13, 2011 9:05AM

Im not seeing it. Here is a different photo that might help you judge if what your seeing is what your seeing LOL

devious · June 13, 2011 9:11AM

<< 

<< Not to say you're wrong but it doesn't seem like the rim is a full circle,
there appears to be an indent in the area I described. Maybe just an artifact of the image.
On another not just because it has a slight rim bump doesn't mean it'll be bagged right?
Won't TPGs just knock a couple points off? >>

Oregon Trails are notorious for not having full circular rims, expecially in the pre 1938 issues. This is a die issue and not rim bumps or incomplete rims. In fact, it is a diagnostic for true Oregon Trails, expecially the scarcer dates such as the 1933D.

The coin should grade MS65

TRUTH >>

Thanks! I just purchased a raw 1933D. Also, I would say this SHOULD grade a min of 66, but wouldn't be surprised if it came back a 66+. Would give it a 67 but that ***minor rim ding on the rev above the D in GOD may not be forgiving

to the graders.

llafoe · June 13, 2011 9:15AM

<< Im not seeing it. Here is a different photo that might help you judge if what your seeing is what your seeing LOL

>>

It's not showing in this photo... it's just the way the toning and lighting are interacting with each other in your slab image.

coinut1799 · June 13, 2011 9:16AM

Always hard to judge from pics. But I would grade it 66, shot 67!

MercCrazy · June 13, 2011 9:26AM

66+.

I'll guess they said AT.

questor54 · June 13, 2011 9:33AM

I'd say it is a 6. Nice coin. Is it from Mark Feld?

morgandollar1878 · June 13, 2011 9:40AM

Looks like a 66 or possible 67 to me.

Raybo · June 13, 2011 9:40AM

It has to be a 67* IMHO

baddogss · June 13, 2011 9:47AM

Looks MS 66+ to me. There may be a small bump on the Obverse at America (3-4), not sure.
The rays are all very strong, as are the fingers on the bow, and the hips of the oxen have little to no rub. just my thoughts.

tcmitssr · June 13, 2011 10:43AM

It pains me to say it but I'd say MS 63 with a shot at MS64. Loop to pictures, there seems to be some very miniscule, but "there" scratches on both sides. Die clashes....maybe but the "fine line" between the two........

Toning could be covering these scratches and I suspect you were not given the benefit of the doubt.

Monstarcoins · June 13, 2011 11:06AM

You guys are awesome.......thats all Im gonna say!

messydesk · June 13, 2011 11:09AM

I've seen the coin in person and agree with the OP, but won't divulge the grade.

LindeDad · June 13, 2011 11:32AM

So is it graded 58 or 55 for the rub we can't see.

PCcoins · June 13, 2011 11:50AM

Au65?

clackamas · June 13, 2011 3:34PM

Great coin, seems like a great example, I would say I would not be happy with anything less than 66. Coin in hand from what I can see, I could think it could easily go 7 if the luster and surfaces look they way they do in the photo.

CoinJunkie · June 13, 2011 3:41PM

It looks 65 to me, so I'm guessing you got a 64.

Tiny · June 13, 2011 3:49PM

I think it should be MS 66 or 7 and with a Star from NGC but they had it in hand
and I do not and then again they do not thrill me with their grading of toned coins.

CoinJunkie · June 16, 2011 3:11AM

And the grade is?

roadrunner · June 16, 2011 6:32AM

Don't see this being anything less than a gem. Great eye appeal too.

MS66 or 67 imo.

You never know. The TPG could have thought some color was added or who knows what. And then net graded it down 1-2 pts to "protect" themselves.
While it's nothing less than MS65 imo, I've seen no better graded by NGC as MS67.

Nightmare submissions occur every so often. I've had one where 80% of the coins came back one pt lower than I expected and at the time it was devasting since
I was now down thousands of dollars on paper. I resubmitted the entire batch of unc bust/seated coins the next month and lo and behold, nearly everything comes back
1 pt higher. The gem 1882 half came back 2 pts higher as a MS67. Go figure. One could say they got that coin wrong twice as it was technically just a solid MS66 or 66+.

roadrunner

Bankerbob56 · June 16, 2011 6:47AM

Easy 66+ or 67!!!

Monstarcoins · June 16, 2011 12:15PM

This coin is graded MS66+ thanks to all........ Its seems most got the coins grade dead on. Guess I will be leaving it as is

TwoSides2aCoin · June 16, 2011 12:20PM

Guessing the grade is one thing I earn a "You Suck Award" for.

segoja · June 16, 2011 12:32PM

67*

devious · June 16, 2011 12:46PM

<< This coin is graded MS66+ thanks to all........ Its seems most got the coins grade dead on. Guess I will be leaving it as is >>

I've seen worse graded 67. I mean, if the pictures are accurate, I would think of it as a 67, but like I said, the minor rim ding on the reverse, a grader maybe saw it and docked it. I got my 1933-D the other day. To me, it's a lock 66, but if it came back a 67, then yours would have to be a 68.

I guess...I wonder what the problem is to you about the coin? What do you think it should grade? It's okay to have a difference of opinion. You got the coin in hand and I feel like this thread was started, not because you were just playing around, but because you really think the coin should have been graded something else. What is your opinion on the matter?

Oregons are SPIFFY!

Monstarcoins · June 16, 2011 12:48PM

I think the coin is a lock MS67 and I think most including Messydesk that saw it in hand believe so too. I think I will just let it be.

devious · June 16, 2011 1:00PM

I really think that ding on the rim on the reverse is what held it back, but then again, I've seen worse MS67 oregons (edited to add: I said this above too. Hah!). So who knows? I would try again. Really!

pmh1nic · June 16, 2011 1:04PM

I'm not real familar with commerative halfs but looking at the surfaces, luster and eye appeal I'm think 66+

TexasNationals · June 16, 2011 5:00PM

there seems to be some very miniscule, but "there" scratches on both sides.

Those are what we call die polish lines, common for the coin and common for most commem's slick.

golfer72 · June 16, 2011 6:46PM

Complaining that a coin gets graded 66 plus instead of 67? Its a numbers game. Someone tell me what the difference is between a 66 plus and a 67? You could send that coin in 5 times and get 5 different grades. Nice coin though.

roadrunner · June 17, 2011 5:54AM

The good side is that you have a better chance for a gold sticker. And these days a 66+ with a goldie may even be worth more than a 67, esp. an unstickered 67.

Don't see MS66+ as a "nightmare." Sounds like the graders on this day were just a tad conservative. On another day it could have easily gone 67.

roadrunner

richardshipp · June 17, 2011 6:19AM

Looks very nice to me. I'm not sure I could tell a 66 from a 67 in a lot of cases, especially in just a picture.

GTG Oregon Commem

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