Asking the Forum Members 2 of 3 Pr S.L. Dollars... DECISION SHOWN..... EXPERIMENT ENDED...........

Bear · June 5, 2011 12:06PM

At the bottom of the third page, you will find pictures of the three PR S.L. DOLLARS.

Since I am only going to select two out of the three coin, what does the Forum recommend and why.

For information 1860 PR 64 CAMEO

1868 PR 65+

1870 PR 65
THE EXPERIMENT IS NOW ENDED. IN THE LAST POST IS MY DECISION AND FINAL COMMENTS!
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After I read your responses, I will tell you my decision and why, after the coins arrive on Tuesday.

fivecents · June 5, 2011 12:35PM

What date MM and grade seated dollar did you buy?

Bear · June 5, 2011 12:40PM

they are sending me the18 61, 1868 and 1870.

These are the dates not the grades.

llafoe · June 5, 2011 12:41PM

<< they are sending me the 61, 68 and 70. >>

WOW! A PR61, PR68 and a PR70! Way to go Bear!

coinsarefun · June 5, 2011 12:43PM

llafoe · June 5, 2011 12:45PM

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So post some photos of yourself Steph!

Sonorandesertrat · June 5, 2011 1:05PM

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So post some photos of yourself Steph!

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Oh my. Still family hours on the forum.

Bear, don't you like early PR no motto dollars?

Bear · June 5, 2011 1:12PM

Yes I do, truly I do.

coinsarefun · June 5, 2011 1:22PM

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So post some photos of yourself Steph!

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Bochiman · June 5, 2011 1:22PM

The "interesting development at Pinnacle" is that they were working on a Sunday?
Hmmmm.....ok, if that is interesting

bestclser1 · June 5, 2011 1:30PM

Those are gorgeous seated dollars Bear

Bear · June 5, 2011 1:30PM

WHO CAN TRANSFER THE PICTURES?

EagleEye · June 5, 2011 1:32PM

I helped a guy in Seattle build a Proof Seated Dollar set back in the 1990's. I would bet it is the same set. If so, they are great coins!

bestclser1 · June 5, 2011 3:16PM

Rick,This is a San Diego Collection,but they are awesome looking.

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AnkurJ · June 5, 2011 3:28PM

Cant wait to see them Bear! I have one proof dollar in my collection, and personally that is all I need. Will probably upgade it at one point though. I bought it raw years ago. It slabbed as a PF55.

Bochiman · June 5, 2011 4:06PM

<< WHO CAN TRANSFER THE PICTURES? >>

Many who have posted in the thread, can. However, it appears that we are the dregs who do not get the early email and, since there was no other link to where said pictures would reside, we cannot transfer that which we do not have, nor know where to find.

Loupe · June 5, 2011 6:16PM

Got the e-mail, too - so here is the link for those left out....

Link

Link2

llafoe · June 5, 2011 10:52PM

chumley · June 5, 2011 11:02PM

it has to be fun....spending a ton of money in a short period of time

fivecents · June 5, 2011 11:07PM

A sweet trio of dollars Bear!

Bear · June 6, 2011 9:21AM

Please respond with your cecommendations of selecting two out of the three candidates.

Bear · June 6, 2011 9:27AM

Bear · June 6, 2011 9:27AM

llafoe · June 6, 2011 9:33AM

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Three back-to-back posts... NOW I know how you got to 40,000 so quickly!

hchcoin · June 6, 2011 9:47AM

Mintage:

1860 1,330 (Lowest grade) (2nd best looking)
1868 600 (Highest grade) (Best looking)
1870 1,000 (2nd highest grade) (Least amount of toning)

I guess I would say the 1868 for sure and then the 1860 because it is a different variety and a cameo (depending on if you have any other SL proofs) unless you prefer a whiter coin. As a caveat, I know nothing about this series - Just like Sgt. Schultz on Hogan's Hero's

Bear · June 6, 2011 10:00AM

Come on folks, you can do this for me.

llafoe · June 6, 2011 10:04AM

Visually, I like the 1868 and 1870 the best... that's the best I can offer. My only concern with the 1870 is the skin... has it been dipped and retoned?

coinsarefun · June 6, 2011 10:13AM

I honestly cannot comment until I see better images

PQueue · June 6, 2011 1:42PM

The 1860 would be a must for me, as I would include both No Motto and with Motto pieces if I was buying 2.

EagleEye · June 6, 2011 1:46PM

Beautiful toner! The whole collection is sweet!

keyman64 · June 6, 2011 1:57PM

I would pick the 68 and 70.

TahoeDale · June 6, 2011 2:02PM

Bear,

What anyone would pick from images is not fair to you, if you really wanted an informed opinion. The image I like best is ....

If this is a series you are not expert in, ask TDN, Katy at Pinnacle, or any other long time dealer in this series.

chumley · June 6, 2011 2:22PM

my choices are the 1st and second coins shown....love the rim tone on the 1st and like the overall color of the second.....course I wouldn't kick the 3rd one outa bed

Bear · June 7, 2011 12:59AM

Bear · June 7, 2011 1:31AM

Last chance to voice an opinion, before I see the coins and make a decision.

Play a role, in the formation of the set.;

speety · June 7, 2011 2:03AM

1860 and 1868. Or do it right and get business strike seated dollars

Bear · June 7, 2011 3:04AM

Thank you all who gave opinions and even the cautionary notes for my protection.

As you are aware, I hold very strict standards for judging coins in my collection and

will use that judgement on the three coins when they arrive. I do appreciate all of

the comments and valuable insights expressed by the Forum even if it is from

viewing pictures. I believe that we all know how risky picture grading can be, but there

are some pluses. The person putting the collection together was very fastidious in his

selections. I attempted from pictures, to put my bid in on what I thought were the three

nicest looking coins. Soon I will take out my magnifying glass and give all three coins the

detailed once over, that has become my hallmark. Rest assured, I am experienced enough

to judge quality, along with the assurance of PCGS grading, to select the best to place

in my growing Estate Collection. Proof S.L. Dollars are rare and very under valued at the moment.

This is a great opportununity to add these beautiful PR coins , at a reasonable price, to the collection.

I believe, that they will accrue much added value in the coming decade, as the demand for these

few available coins can only grow.

illini420 · June 7, 2011 3:14AM

I'd get the 1861 for sure and then either of the remaining two. That way you get an example w/ motto and w/o motto.

But knowing how rare plus graded coins seem to be, I'd go for the 1868 if you like that coin and if the premium for the plus isn't too crazy.

GRANDAM · June 7, 2011 3:17AM

Any of the 3,,,,,, but if you want 2 picks then 1 & 2

GrandAm

Bear · June 7, 2011 3:19AM

Last call for your opinions before I announce my decision.

Bear · June 7, 2011 4:06AM

GMan · June 7, 2011 4:11AM

Ok, my uninformed, unexpert, opinion the wow factor has to go to the 1868 and the 1861. Whatever you decide I think you'll do fine, but I have to say the 1868 is the best of the lot.

barrytrot · June 7, 2011 4:21AM

Bear, are you selling the "reject" (calling one of these that is quite odd)?

Or just sending it back to Pinnacle?

GMan · June 7, 2011 4:37AM

I think he said something about a 40,000 post giveaway. Right Bear?

Bear · June 7, 2011 6:07AM

I will send the regect dollar, If that is what I decide to do, back to Pinnicle.

One never know, when I see the coins, I might keep all three.

MadMarty · June 7, 2011 6:20AM

Dammit Bear, just buy all three!!!

Bear · June 7, 2011 6:23AM

I am seriously considering doing just that Marty.

fastfreddie · June 7, 2011 6:45AM

<< Mintage:

1860 1,330 (Lowest grade) (2nd best looking)
1868 600 (Highest grade) (Best looking)
1870 1,000 (2nd highest grade) (Least amount of toning)

I guess I would say the 1868 for sure and then the 1860 because it is a different variety and a cameo (depending on if you have any other SL proofs) unless you prefer a whiter coin. As a caveat, I know nothing about this series - Just like Sgt. Schultz on Hogan's Hero's >>

w/ Shultzie

MadMarty · June 7, 2011 6:58AM

I'll tell you what Bear, back in the day (before corporate downsizing), I has a complete set of proof morgans! Early Proof coinage is the nicest looking and the most unappreciated coins out there. Buy them all!! You'll not go wrong!!

roadrunner · June 7, 2011 8:09AM

Normally I'd say go only with PF65 or better gem seated dollars as that's where future demand should be. There are just too many coins when 64's are included. Yeah, they
are great "value" coins, but that will always be the case. They will never get promoted like the 65's to 66's.

But...the 1861 is a low survival date, esp. in CAM. If the 64CAM is one of the top 3 or so of those dozen CAMs, that might be a worthy choice with only a single 65 CAM out there.
The coin needs need to be very strong for the grade (65.5 or 65.6). If not stickerable I would pass. The toning on the 1861 sort of has that "secondary" toning look with the overall
surfaces appearing on the too light side. I'd be leery of too many hairlines. The more I look at the photo the more that toning doesn't cut it. Might well have been a 65 coin that got
gigged for some moderate hairlines. Definitely does not have that scintillating look that the 1866-1873 coins do. That's what gets people's blood boiling. There are very few seated
dollars with the look of the 1866, 1867, 1868, 1872. The 1858 and 1861 both in PF64 look to have the usual look toned seated dollars have (ie slightly mis-handled along the way).
Yeah, I change my mind on the 1861. It's just not got the look I'd want. Do not think it's an original coin. And if you're spending the big bucks for long term appreciation I think that
matters. Best not to settle for a urine toned dollar even if it is low pop because of the CAM. If never dipped, it probably wouldn't have made CAM. It probably brings a hefty premium
as well. The next date collector looking at low pop CAM's for their set will probably look at that secondary toning the same way.

The 1868 is the no brainer of the group imo. Like the look a lot. But w/o seeing these in hand, who (other than Bear) can evaluate hairlines on any of these?

The 1870 has some distracting dark toning areas on the reverse that might not make it a winner imo. It's got a fairly high pop in 65 and it's the lightest toned coin in the group. It doesn't grab me like some of the others. I see some other very pretty dollars in this set that look much more appealing (1866-73). I figured the monstrous 1867 is a grade too high for your needs but it's killer looking and near finest graded. Too bad it didn't have a few more marks to only grade 65+....lol. I might prefer the 1867 in 66+ rather than a pair of higher pop coins in 65. At 66+ this is the highest single coin graded with a lone 66DCAM just below it. That DCAM would cost a ton and probably not have the eye appeal of this one. There will be a top pop REG set looking for this 66+ coin someday....if not today. I for one am not a great fan of the DCAM coins being seen as the "finest" as invariably those are dipped coins....also many of the CAMs are as well. Undipped, rainbow colors always get me going. And too often those rainbow coins come with an old fat fingerprint buried in the toning. Don't see that here. This 1867 is just killer.

I like the look of the 1872 better than the 1870 plus it has a much lower pop with the + and competes for the top several specimens graded. The 1871 also looks better to me.
The 1868 and 1872 would make a nice matched pair. I don't mind some slight strike weakness on the 72. It's probably a 66 that was netted to 65+ for that reason. For some reason
the strikes on the no motto coins usually come sharper than the with mottos. Even the 68 is not fully struck. The 1867 is the best struck of the WM's.

Don't feel rushed to make a decision on buying a 2nd coin if you're not quite sure about them. Nothing wrong with buying 1 (or none) and waiting for a coin that has no distractions or
limitations to you. Some of these dollars in this set have similar appeal to the Vermeulle coins that sold back in 2002. The 1859, 1867 and 1869 dollars in that group were quite stunning.
The 1872 Vermeulle dollar was a multi-colored stunner, but had fingerprint that kept it at the 65 level. It was a no-brainer 66 in all other respects. The 1872 here reminds me of that one
...less the fingerprint.

roadrunner

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