NGC makes a MS68* Franklin ..........

PawPaul · April 29, 2011 8:43AM

Isn't it wonderful that we finally have a MS-68 Franklin ?

1tommy · April 29, 2011 8:45AM

Think I like this one better Enjoy

darktone · April 29, 2011 8:47AM

Pictures or a link?

PawPaul · April 29, 2011 8:51AM

wow - that never happened b4 ........double clutched on the button and got two posts for the price of one !

PawPaul · April 29, 2011 8:55AM

<< Pictures or a link?

>>

just look in Tomaska's new book on the cover .......or check it out on his website ; only 85 grand

PawPaul · May 26, 2011 10:52PM

...very few comments ...?

lcoopie · May 26, 2011 11:05PM

have you seen the coin?

do you think it's a 68?

over

Coins911 · May 26, 2011 11:06PM

Pic?

georgiacop50 · May 26, 2011 11:16PM

Meaningless. Unless it crosses over.

ColonialCoinUnion · May 26, 2011 11:43PM

Was it a new coin? Or one that had been in a 67 holder of either service? Just curious.

RebelRon · May 27, 2011 12:33AM

<< ...very few comments ...? >>

The only thing that I can say..............Can you loan me $85 Grand?

Meltdown · May 27, 2011 1:09AM

<< Was it a new coin? Or one that had been in a 67 holder of either service? Just curious. >>

That's what I was thinking... Also, what date?

frnklnlvr · May 27, 2011 1:10AM

<< Was it a new coin? Or one that had been in a 67 holder of either service? Just curious. >>

I believe it was previously graded NGC MS67*. Is this correct PawPaul?

llafoe · May 27, 2011 1:15AM

If there's no photo, it doesn't exist.

georgiacop50 · May 27, 2011 1:16AM

<< 

<< Was it a new coin? Or one that had been in a 67 holder of either service? Just curious. >>

I believe it was previously graded NGC MS67*. Is this correct PawPaul? >>

I think this is correct. I wonder if it was Senor Tomaska that got the upgrade??

I also think this was a Schuch make originally? but not completely sure of that.

Staircoins · May 27, 2011 1:22AM

<< If there's no photo, it doesn't exist.

>>

I'm particularly fond of the fingerprint(s)

llafoe · May 27, 2011 1:23AM

<< 

<< If there's no photo, it doesn't exist.

>>

I'm particularly fond of the fingerprint(s)

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Is that THE MS68*?

Meltdown · May 27, 2011 1:27AM

Really?

Staircoins · May 27, 2011 1:27AM

<< ... Is that THE MS68*?

>>

Ayuh. Link

metalmeister · May 27, 2011 1:28AM

No way that's the coin!

Meltdown · May 27, 2011 1:31AM

Wow. I suppose the technical grade could be all there... maybe a point or two extra for the color, but then you have to knock a point off for the GIANT fingerprint distraction and another point for the splooge spots on the reverse.

I like it as a 66.

llafoe · May 27, 2011 1:35AM

<< Wow. I suppose the technical grade could be all there... maybe a point or two extra for the color, but then you have to knock a point off for the GIANT fingerprint distraction and another point for the splooge spots on the reverse.

I like it as a 66.

>>

I like it better as a dipped blast white 66!

PCcoins · May 27, 2011 1:41AM

For an MS68 specimen, it was handled like a worthless 50c piece when the US mint worker put the coin into the cardboard double mint set. Nice big fingerprint on the right side of the obverse and another fingerprint at around 11 o'clock on the reverse.

Being in NGC plastic, I highly doubt it's a true ms68 coin. I think at least 1 to 2 point bump for the toning.

indiananationals · May 27, 2011 1:46AM

that coin is fugly

llafoe · May 27, 2011 1:50AM

<< that coin is fugly >>

Fugly... is that Fugio Ugly? I kind of like Fugios!

darktone · May 27, 2011 2:02AM

I like the coin but I think it should be in a genuine holder. My problem is with the white area's that have that etched look- to me this is environmental damage. I can live with he prints if this was in a 64-65 holder.

Bankerbob56 · May 27, 2011 2:04AM

<< Wow. I suppose the technical grade could be all there... maybe a point or two extra for the color, but then you have to knock a point off for the GIANT fingerprint distraction and another point for the splooge spots on the reverse.

I like it as a 66.

>>

Meltdown I agree with you totally! I wouldn't buy that coin in a 66 holder let alone a 68*.

Someone else already said it.... "doesn't mean a thing unless it willcross!" and that ain't gonna cross!!!

fc · May 27, 2011 2:09AM

hm. new book... pricey coin on the cover..

that is one way to advertise your wares i suppose.

since it is ngc plastic it does not count eh? ;-)

kryptonitecomics · May 27, 2011 2:23AM

1. I like the coin but don't love the coin due to the spots on the reverse...I am ok with the finger prints

2. I don't believe there is a member of this forum who can in anyway judge the surface condition of this coin based on the images provided

3. regardless of point 2, I have no problems with collectors who do not feel that a coin with prints and spots should be awarded an MS68, and depending on the spots/etching etc..personally in hand I might even agree with their opinions

4. It's always nice to see the kool aide flowing with comments that the coin can't be an MS68 unless PCGS gives it the seal of approval though I know plenty of folks on here are joking when they say that so my panties are officially not in a wad when reading those statements

5. I am always leary of a coin that has been graded X and then shows up in a new holder with a higher grade...but that is the nature of the beast with coin certification and is certainly understanable given the subjective nature of coin grading.

6. I personally would love to see this one in hand but it's not going to happen for me or most of us here so I guess all we can do is throw out opinions based on the images and perhaps Rick will stop by and provide his thoughts on the coin

dragon · May 27, 2011 2:45AM

I think the color on that Franklin is very attractive and looks a bit similar to an 1885-CC GSA dollar I saw quite some time time ago that PCGS subsequently holdered as an MS68.

georgiacop50 · May 27, 2011 3:04AM

Many of the glamour color shots on the R&I website have the same unreal look and cartoonish glaring colors.

So I would hesitate to say it should be Genuine based soley on this pic.

Segoja had a 48 Franklin in the late 1980's that looked much like this one. It was NGC67.

PawPaul · May 27, 2011 8:55AM

I got no problem with NGC 68'ing the coin -

they can call it a 69 for all I care

what I am surprised at

is that it's the first MS 68 Mint State Franklin to get the nod from either TPG in nearly 30 years and most folks are like

" did you see it ? ........no ..........., did you ? "

you would think since the mighty , mighty Franklin is the most poplar and widely collected coin on the planet that

it's emergence would have caused more a fuss

ambro51 · May 27, 2011 9:49AM

ugly thing dosent even look like a coin.

lcoopie · May 27, 2011 10:19AM

I haven't seen it and don't plan on seeing it.

golfer72 · May 27, 2011 10:57AM

68 ?

secondrepublic · May 27, 2011 10:58AM

U.G.L.Y.

Coppercolor · May 27, 2011 10:59AM

I wouldn't stick my neck out on the claim.....

but I don't believe the obverse toning disturbance is a fingerprint. I believe it is large luster graze possibly caused by the mint set paper pushing the coin back into position. Probably happened early on before the majority of toning occurred. Same with the lack of toning on the high spots.

JMO even though this is not mentioned in defense of the grade because I can't tell what a good grade for that coin is by the images.

llafoe · May 27, 2011 10:59AM

Is the "*" at NGC for eye-appeal?

SanctionII · May 27, 2011 11:02AM

The pictures of the coin on the R&I Website probably do not do justice to the coin.

I have some mint set toned Franklins that at first glance look unattractive. The toning is heavy, thick and multi colored. It looks very dark until you put it under good lighting and look closely at it [for me with a loupe because my close up eyesight is not good]. When you look at it under good lighting the luster of the coin reveals itself and the colors jump out at you and shimmer.

You would never think the coin was nice and attractive looking at a picture of it. You have to see it in hand in good lighting conditions.

The same might be true for the 1948P NCG MS68*. It would be nice to see it in hand.

I wonder when it will sell and how much it will sell for?????

pmh1nic · May 27, 2011 11:17AM

<< 2. I don't believe there is a member of this forum who can in anyway judge the surface condition of this coin based on the images provided >>

MS-68 "Eye Appeal - Exceptional"

While you cannot judge surface condition with respect to dings you can absolutely judge surface condition with respect to the eye appeal of the toning and other distractions. On that count (IMHO) this coin is no 68.

fivecents · May 27, 2011 11:18AM

If that coin had ANY chance of crossing Rick would already have it in a PCGS holder.

lkeigwin · May 27, 2011 11:22AM

It must look very different in hand. Please, let it look very different in hand.
Lance.

ambro51 · May 27, 2011 12:06PM

The slab has the Peter Max pedigree.

BBN · May 27, 2011 12:08PM

I always wonder with coins having that much toning is if that color is hiding any nicks or scratches.

66WhiteFBL · May 27, 2011 1:44PM

Another overgraded NGC coin.

llafoe · May 27, 2011 1:49PM

<< I always wonder with coins having that much toning is if that color is hiding any nicks or scratches. >>

What are you talking about... it's hiding the COIN!

golfer72 · May 27, 2011 8:56PM

I will say it again. Eye appeal is subjective so the NGC star is meaningless. Some people like this type of toning , some dont. Case closed.

PawPaul · May 27, 2011 11:12PM

almighty then - case closed ................, except -

i have no problem with the star

it's the MS 68 grade that sticks in my craw

........it's downright disturbing

MadMonk · May 28, 2011 1:24AM

I think a 68 coin would actually be easier to get a group consensus on. I.e., due to the lack of marks, and the incredible luster.
Think about it. Something that close to perfection would scream at you, whereas the lower grade have more marks, and more subjectivity creeping in.
I would think that 10 experienced numismatists would all agree more on a 68 than a 65.

As for this coin being a 68. Who knows without seeing it in hand. I have seen too many PCGS coins get cracked out, and get a point higher from somebody else.
Then you wind up with a coin that is really hard to sell to an experienced, and savvy, collector.

Billet7 · May 28, 2011 1:30AM

This is the definition of being underwhelmed.

pmh1nic · May 28, 2011 3:11AM

Questions regarding the 68 grade aren't about what you can't see but what you can see. In my opinion what you do see precludes this coin getting a 68. I cannot imagine any combination of otherwise perfect surfaces, excellent strike and blinding luster could negate the visible distracts to raise this coin to a 68.

NGC makes a MS68* Franklin ..........

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