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Key date coins with rim damage: Will TPG's grade them or body bag them?

SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,607 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I have a 1914D Lincoln that is would probably grade between F15 and VF25. The reverse rim on the coin has a gap on it. It looks like small portion of the rim has been surgically removed. The walls of the gap are vertical, straight and smooth. The floor of the gap is horizontal, straight and smooth. The gap is about 1/16 of an inch wide.

I do not know if this rim damage is a flaw made during striking of the planchet; or whether it is post mint damage.

Would a TPG body bag or grade this type of a key date coin?

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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    Depends on the severity, obviously, and hard to assess without seeing the coin. All else being the same the TPGs are more likely to slab and quietly "net grade" key dates and 18th century dates, but that tolerance still only goes so far.
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Depends on the severity, obviously, and hard to assess without seeing the coin. All else being the same the TPGs are more likely to slab and quietly "net grade" key dates and 18th century dates, but that tolerance still only goes so far. >>



    I agree on all counts.
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,667 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Should still get slabbed if it's authentic.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Should it matter if the coin is a key date or not? Shouldn't all coins within a series be graded using the same standards without consideration of the coin's rarity?

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  • yellowjacketyellowjacket Posts: 1,809 ✭
    1/16" file mark on the rim would probably land it in a Gennie holder; however, I agree with getting it slabbed since there are so many counterfeits. And if it isn't post mint damage, you are all the better served. The market place will determine its true value.

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  • COALPORTERCOALPORTER Posts: 2,900 ✭✭


    << <i>Should it matter if the coin is a key date or not? Shouldn't all coins within a series be graded using the same standards without consideration of the coin's rarity? >>



    Should, but don't, however, imo, no lincoln is key date enough (like say early gold) to get the nodded into a problem free holder.
  • penny4yourthoughtspenny4yourthoughts Posts: 155
  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They are very reluctant to holder a coin with damage that is unseen behind the gasket.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the gap in the rim is not mint caused, I'd say the coin would end up in a "genuine" holder. On a Lincoln cent 1/16th of an inch is significant.
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  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    It might be best off to sell raw or keep raw for a folder.
    I doubt they'll overlook something like that on any Lincoln.

    Ed
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The trouble is fake 1914-D cents are still out there so certitfication is still desirable.

    At the last FUN show I was at my local club booth for a while, and guy brought in a "1914-D cent" that his late wife had given him for a Christmas present years ago. He wanted to known what it was worth now. Sadly it was a 1944-D that had been altered to the 1914-D date. He said that a "local dealer" had sold it to her years ago.
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,246 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Should still get slabbed if it's authentic. >>



    either way in any case itll get graded. ( unless its bogus ) jmo
  • NysotoNysoto Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have a 1914D Lincoln that is would probably grade between F15 and VF25. The reverse rim on the coin has a gap on it. It looks like small portion of the rim has been surgically removed. The walls of the gap are vertical, straight and smooth. The floor of the gap is horizontal, straight and smooth. The gap is about 1/16 of an inch wide >>


    The 1/16 gap is huge for a Lincoln cent. Planchet voids are usually irregular. Sounds like a genuine slab.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,851 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have a 1914D Lincoln that is would probably grade between F15 and VF25. The reverse rim on the coin has a gap on it. It looks like small portion of the rim has been surgically removed. The walls of the gap are vertical, straight and smooth. The floor of the gap is horizontal, straight and smooth. The gap is about 1/16 of an inch wide. >>



    Can you provide us with a pic? Could it be a clipped planchet?

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