MS35?

ambro51 · April 16, 2011 2:31AM

I have a Feuchtwanger cent variety 1A, which is a fairly rare piece. Now....technically, when I examine certain aspects of this piece, it seems Mint State, but obviously, there is a high degree of surface chatter, nicks, scrapes, digs...but it does not appear on the classic wear points on the coin, which are strong and vivid, like MS.

The lower feather tips on the eagle tailfeathers...ground detail, and aspects of the lettering and design, do not seem to have actual circulation wear.

MS goes down to 60, but is this a case where a MS coin has been rudely handled in a non circulation manner creating this situation....in effect, an MS35?

STONE · April 16, 2011 2:47AM

Looks MS40 to me

Too bad about all the chatter, looks like it had A LOT of potential!

TheBigB · April 16, 2011 2:52AM

Let's call it MS60, but dreck.

savoyspecial · April 16, 2011 3:04AM

there are a few ways to arrive at a grade, one is net grading (knocking it down to a 35 or 40)

the other is a details grade for an impaired, problem coin.......UNC details, with damage and corrosion

ModCrewman · April 16, 2011 3:06AM

<< <i>the other is a details grade for an impaired, problem coin.......UNC details, with damage and corrosion >>

I actually like this as how to grade this one. MS Details - Damaged

keyman64 · April 16, 2011 3:21AM

MS Details - Post Mint Damaged....aka problem coin. It is still cool, heck I don't have one of these things! The more and more you post them the more I want one....but I would go with a problem-free example.

Broadstruck · April 16, 2011 3:30AM

Shame as the person who messed this up as they had too much time on their hands should have had a Snickers instead!

ambro51 · April 16, 2011 3:56AM

True, problem free is much better. But I will grab any of these very scarce variety pieces I see that are selling for common money.

SanctionII · April 16, 2011 4:30AM

I experienced the same thing yesterday at the Santa Clara show.

I located a Capital Holder containing proof franklins from 1950-1963. The 1951 half was a lock DCAM proof. The devices on both sides had thick, icy white frost. The fields were black as night.

The problem with the coin was that the fields on both sides had been scratched, gouged and damaged to the point where a grade of PF60 would have been a gift. The fields looked like someone had taked a wire brush or a dremel to them.

So I thought could this coin get a PF grade of less then 60.

I just could not see even a 60 grade and thought that the only thing a TPG would do with the coin would be to not grade it and return it in a body bag as damaged. Or return it PF-Post Mint Damage.

I can only imagine what the coin looked like before it was ruined. It would have been a monster DCAM.

BillJones · April 16, 2011 6:16AM

This reminds me of the way mid 19th century double were graded 20+ years ago. The fields would have a zillion marks in them, and the dealers would grade them MS-61 or 62. The way I looked at you couldn't tell of the coin was Mint State or not because the field scratches made it impossible to see if the fields had any rub in them.

ambro51 · April 16, 2011 7:10AM

It reminds me of a coin you would pick up in a parking lot. We've all seen them...run over zincolns that dig right through the plating to the bright white underneath?

poor thing ......

You can actually see the actual high grade on this piece by noting that the rear wing retains the 3D effect that you only see on high grade pieces (like the 4E Plate Coin I posted). The surfaces are toned greyish and I would say under a light it does retain a surface reflectivity of sorts. the fields are very smooth and flat (when you have it in hand).

Interesting too it 'feels rough' and not like a pocket worn piece.

interesting....verrrrrry interesting~~

johnny9434 · April 17, 2011 4:21AM

whats the ms for? michlin series tire ?

MS35?

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