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~!OMG!~ Feuchtwanger Cent 4E NewP from Greg Hannigan Arrived today...it will BLOW your socks off!!
ambro51
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I stole this one...stole it.......
Do they come nicer than this? In a 4E??
Words escape me.......................
Do they come nicer than this? In a 4E??
Words escape me.......................
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Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner.
I will have to weight this piece. Either the press was really hammering these things that day...or its a heavy planchet.
but, Im in luv
I cannot see any surface abrasions or nicks, the strike...well, thats ALL there....the luster is subdued, satiny, rather than prooflike.
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Dont think it would slab- but who cares- thats one hammered strike!
<< <i>curious why you say it wont slab... >>
Is that pitting below the neck?....Must have been struck that way I guess?....
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<< <i>curious why you say it wont slab... >>
Well- think of who the seller is. In MY experience, VERY RARELY does a coin that is so nice and hammered not make it into a slab previously. Especially from a seller that knows what hes doing.
My guess is that something was done to the coin that put it into a gennie or details holder, and in order to make it more sellable, was cracked out and remains raw.
I would grade the coin an au58 (but has the surfaces of a 64)
It does have a hammered strike and my thought is that the seller kept it raw so that the next buyer would think he's getting a 63-64 and getting a steal as you said yourself (instead of an au58).
Maybe its the corrosion/pitting under the head or its POSSIBLE some form of dip/whizzing took place.
Once again- I love the coin strike wise, but my guess is there is some reason it isnt in a slab now.
please prove me wrong!
Actually, Ive found that the HTT crowd is not slab happy. So, it dosent surprise me at all to have a nice piece like this raw, nor is there any drive actually to slab this.
NGC, the only worthwhile slabber that denotes variety sticks them in that horrible white fang slab. PCGS, which DOES NOT denote variety....started slabbing these in 2000 and cannot yet seem to 'get it right' and attribute them.
But, I like it TOO, and until PCGS ponies up and denotes variety, Im in no hurry to feed to the white toothed monster.
<< <i>How the engraver was able to achieve that 3D feeling with the rear wing....a true craftsman at work there. >>
You're right. There were three basic ways of depicting the wings.
1. Only show the eagle's right wing, giving the impression that the left wing was perfectly obscured by it.
2. Show the left wing in a similar level of detail as the right wing, but in slightly lower relief, with the lower relief being the only thing separating the wings.
3. Blur the left wing as shown -- most creative, effective, and artistic. This is how a photo would have looked if taken with a fast lens wide open, but one must consider that 1837 was before the first Daguerreotype photos were made. I guess the OP is best qualified to assess whether or not a period camera obscura would have rendered a model as such.
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It IMHO has subdued surfaces and is lackluster as it's been lightly cleaned or was exposed to somewhat harsh chemicals?
I agree with joebb21 as I doubt this would be raw if it was plastic entomb-able, as Greg's pretty swift and doesn't leave any free money laying on the table.
Hannigan's been buying ALL the issue Feuchtwanger's at Stack's and all problem raw examples in his inventory can be traced to such sales.
So now that that's done with, I suppose it's OK to play the devil's advocate, right? Well, it may be the photo, but the first thing that came to mind when I saw the photo was "dipped". That doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't market acceptable, and CuNi coins dip exceptionally well (it is CuNi, yes?) but based on how glossy the photos make it look, I'd bet that it spent some time in a jar of ez-est.
I really hope I'm wrong...
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You have the coin in hand??
<< <i>Looks to be AU58+. >>
PerryHall, Bite your typing finger!
As I sure hope exonumia never gets plus graded
<< <i>what is under the eagles throat? >>
Lunch!
WS
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Very nice! I was excited to open this thread based on past experience. One of these days gonna hafta get myself a feuchtwanger cent!
(and yes I have dry skin....the curse of a woodworker) (and that is just dust on the coin)
If the harsh criticism hurts your feelings, you can always send it to me!
It was part of QDB's Feuchtwanger variety set.
Many of these Feuchtwanger's had some issues as I viewed them all and walked away from that auction bidding on nothing.
I feel for QDB it may have been more about the varieties then their condition.
Now the kicker lackluster or not...
Your token is the Plate coin for the 1837 Feuchtwanger Coinage No. 4 on page 9 of the 100 Greatest American Medals and Tokens.
<< <i>I am in the MS crowd and I hope you get it certified if for no other reason to preserve.
WS >>
If you want to "preserve" this just get a nice after market holder for a couple of bucks
and save the cost of slabbing not to mention shipping/insurance/time and trust in the USPS, and also not
to mention having your coin out of your posession for an eternity.
Hey ambro
Nice piece. Dipped or not that is a gorgeous example that should make you proud.
German silver is not a reactive metal and does not tarnish. There can be a toning down into a greyish, sometimes lilacs and golds appear, from either toning or alloy mix, but this metal needs no "dip' to brighten it.
I took the photos under two different light sources yesterday, heres a shot from the other light source. Shows the glitz a bit better,
<< <i>I think it is every speck a Plate Coin and to desire more from a piece 174 years old is to seek rainbows and moonbeams.
German silver is not a reactive metal and does not tarnish. There can be a toning down into a greyish, sometimes lilacs and golds appear, from either toning or alloy mix, but this metal needs no "dip' to brighten it.
>>
A. I am sure it has been cleaned.
B. I don't care. I like it.
MOO
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