I got a 1964 D Peace Dollar!

kiyote · February 26, 2011 6:07AM

I fell to the hype, I have to admit, and broke down and got one!

It's just amazing in hand, amazing a work of art! I get chills.

ambro51 · February 26, 2011 6:13AM

a total waste of five dollars, sorry. Im not even sure the post here showing this thing off is going to give you five dollars worth of enjoyment.

sumnom · February 26, 2011 6:17AM

I sorta like it but don't tell anybody.

MsMorrisine · February 26, 2011 6:28AM

pot stir-er!

silverpop · February 26, 2011 6:28AM

$5 for that?

i can think of better coins that are legal to own then that to buy with $5

DIMEMAN · February 26, 2011 6:33AM

kiyote · February 26, 2011 6:34AM

<< pot stir-er! >>

I am! That's a polite way of saying "troll"

MsMorrisine · February 26, 2011 6:37AM

nah. Not really wanting to point fingers.

"just sayin'"

gonna stir things up.

I'm passing on the fun this time.

19Lyds · February 26, 2011 6:52AM

No you didn't.

You bought a Chinese counterfeit piece thats not even made of silver.

mrearlygold · February 26, 2011 7:00AM

We should start banging out some "yuan" and see how they like it

Preussen · February 26, 2011 7:03AM

<< No you didn't.

You bought a Chinese counterfeit piece thats not even made of silver. >>

yeah; everyone knows the genuine fakes were recently made in the USA.

-Preussen

RMLTM79 · February 26, 2011 7:06AM

<< We should start banging out some "yuan" and see how they like it >>

Yeah we should have D Carr make some rare fake Pandas or some early type Chinese rarities. Give'em a taste of their own medicine!!

PerryHall · February 26, 2011 7:07AM

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MsMorrisine · February 26, 2011 7:09AM

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<< We should start banging out some "yuan" and see how they like it >>

Yeah we should have D Carr make some rare fake Pandas or some early type Chinese rarities. Give'em a taste of their own medicine!! >>

He's considered some mocking panda pieces. The design wasn't a rip off of theirs, but a new one to mock their lack of counterfeiting efforts.

Barry · February 26, 2011 7:41AM

<< We should start banging out some "yuan" and see how they like it >>

Maybe dcarr will make some 64-D yuan...

jessewvu · February 26, 2011 7:49AM

lol, I got chills looking at that too, disgusting!

Patches · February 26, 2011 7:50AM

careful of lead poisoning

Smittys · February 26, 2011 7:55AM

Counterfieting US or any world coin is illegal in the US

ricko · February 26, 2011 8:05AM

DCarr's are better. Cheers, RickO

kiyote · February 26, 2011 8:06AM

<< lol, I got chills looking at that too, disgusting! >>

Hey, some 6 year old kid chained to a table worked really hard on it!

llafoe · February 26, 2011 8:09AM

It doesn't have 'COPY'... nevermind, I forgot it wasn't required!

P.S. Love ya Daniel!

bidask · February 26, 2011 8:11AM

For what it is I LOVE IT..!

PerryHall · February 26, 2011 8:12AM

<< DCarr's are better. Cheers, RickO >>

Agree. This is just a cheap knockoff of the Dan Carr 1964 dollar.

scottgardener · February 26, 2011 8:14AM

Now China is counterfeiting Daniel Carr, except that piece looks "circulated," as if pulled from a "junk silver" bin at what would be the local brick and mortar, but in a parallel universe. Since the Carr pieces are going for rediculous figures, it's a cheaper alternative, but I'm not sure I'd want to support China's fake coin industry--unlike Carr, that coin was probably never a real American dollar, and thus is counterfeit; and, the coin press and tools that made this coin may very well also be churning out "replicas" of other coins.

Overall, an interesting conversation piece and a piece I would need in order to finish a more than complete Peace dollar set.

dcarr · February 26, 2011 8:16AM

Since the one pictured at the beginning of this thread is not (and never was) legal tender, it is technically a type of currency counterfeit.
It has no silver content and the cost to produce it is less than a dollar. So if it were passed (spent) at face value, it would still net a profit for the maker.

PS:

I am planning to make a "mock" Panda coin this year.

dcarr · February 26, 2011 8:19AM

<< Now China is counterfeiting Daniel Carr, except that piece looks "circulated," as if pulled from a "junk silver" bin at what would be the local brick and mortar, but in a parallel universe. Since the Carr pieces are going for rediculous figures, it's a cheaper alternative, but I'm not sure I'd want to support China's fake coin industry--unlike Carr, that coin was probably never a real American dollar, and thus is counterfeit; and, the coin press and tools that made this coin may very well also be churning out "replicas" of other coins.

Overall, an interesting conversation piece and a piece I would need in order to finish a more than complete Peace dollar set. >>

I think these may have been around before I made mine. The production methods are crude and the one pictured is "as struck". They are so crude that they look beat-up right off the press. They contain no silver - only cheap base metal.

AuNuggets · February 26, 2011 8:39AM

Let's get real here.........

silverpop · February 26, 2011 8:40AM

well a fake coin is just that fake and those who make them need to be jailed for life

CaptHenway · February 26, 2011 8:41AM

<< 

<< Now China is counterfeiting Daniel Carr, except that piece looks "circulated," as if pulled from a "junk silver" bin at what would be the local brick and mortar, but in a parallel universe. Since the Carr pieces are going for rediculous figures, it's a cheaper alternative, but I'm not sure I'd want to support China's fake coin industry--unlike Carr, that coin was probably never a real American dollar, and thus is counterfeit; and, the coin press and tools that made this coin may very well also be churning out "replicas" of other coins.

Overall, an interesting conversation piece and a piece I would need in order to finish a more than complete Peace dollar set. >>

I think these may have been around before I made mine. The production methods are crude and the one pictured is "as struck". They are so crude that they look beat-up right off the press. They contain no silver - only cheap base metal. >>

I do not recall hearing of any 1964-D counterfeits in the bulk circ. quality counterfeit Peace dollars that occasionally turn up in coin shops and flea markets, though that does not mean they were not out there.

I suspect, but cannot prove, that it was inspired by the million or so thread postings here and elsewhere concerning your pieces. After all, the Chinese do have access to the internet so long as the content is not seditious to the current regime.

I know! Let's put the words "FALUN GONG" in every 1964-D post so that it gets intercepted by the Chinese robot censors!!!!!! Yeah!!!

Oh, yeah. Hurry up with those mock pandas!!!!!

TD

goodmoney4badmoney · February 26, 2011 8:45AM

The Chinese need to buy some legal tender and make some more realistic dies, then these "coins" would be 100% OK

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kiyote · February 26, 2011 12:22PM

<< Let's get real here......... >>

You left of the "$5 with shipping" part for my piece of slag...

kiyote · February 26, 2011 12:25PM

<< Since the one pictured at the beginning of this thread is not (and never was) legal tender, it is technically a type of currency counterfeit.
It has no silver content and the cost to produce it is less than a dollar. So if it were passed (spent) at face value, it would still net a profit for the maker.

PS:

I am planning to make a "mock" Panda coin this year. >>

It never was a US coin, that's for sure, so he's not guilty of violating United States Code TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 17 , § 331. concerning the Mutilation, diminution, and falsification of coins, which reads, as follows:

Whoever fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the mints of the United States, or any foreign coins which are by law made current or are in actual use or circulation as money within the United States; or
Whoever fraudulently possesses, passes, utters, publishes, or sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or brings into the United States, any such coin, knowing the same to be altered, defaced, mutilated, impaired, diminished, falsified, scaled, or lightened—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

19Lyds · February 26, 2011 12:41PM

<< 

<< Since the one pictured at the beginning of this thread is not (and never was) legal tender, it is technically a type of currency counterfeit.
It has no silver content and the cost to produce it is less than a dollar. So if it were passed (spent) at face value, it would still net a profit for the maker.

PS:

I am planning to make a "mock" Panda coin this year. >>

It never was a US coin, that's for sure, so he's not guilty of violating United States Code TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 17 , § 331. concerning the Mutilation, diminution, and falsification of coins, which reads, as follows:

Whoever fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the mints of the United States, or any foreign coins which are by law made current or are in actual use or circulation as money within the United States; or
Whoever fraudulently possesses, passes, utters, publishes, or sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or brings into the United States, any such coin, knowing the same to be altered, defaced, mutilated, impaired, diminished, falsified, scaled, or lightened—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. >>

I believe that law was written to counter the shaving and trimming of US minted Gold and gold foreign coins authorized for use within the US as legal tender based upon their "gold" content.

Nothing worse than trying to spend a $20 gold piece that only has $15 worth of gold in it.

I wonder if back in those days you could trim off 1 fifth of the coin (similar to cutting or ripping today's federal reserve notes) and then spending it for full face value? I know that if you have less than half of a Federal Reserve Note, the bank will not honor it. If you have more than half, they will replace the note with a new one.

Totally different concept than when the above law was written.

AuNuggets · February 26, 2011 1:25PM

When it comes to the 1964-D Peace Dollar, "The Fantasy" for many of us has been simply to own one of these coins. I remember being 7 years old and growing up in Southern California in 1964. A favorite uncle had started my interest in coin collecting at a relatively early age by bringing my brother and I his pocket change and the old Whitman blue coin folders on a regular basis. In 1964, another good friend of my moms knew of my interest in coins, and brought me a brand new shiny Kennedy Half Dollar very shortly after their release. Located as we were in the southwest, this one of course came from the Denver mint. To this day I remember very distinctly hearing about a "new silver dollar" that was planned for release sometime in the next year or two. Silver dollars were always "THE" coin to have in your collection at age 7, and like other kids my age who had heard the rumors of the new dollar coin......I wanted one.

But owning one of those dollars was never to become reality. Mintage was discontinued and all existing pieces supposedly destroyed by the mint prior to any ever being released to the public. While the Kennedy Half.....in all it's glory.....helped to fill that new coin emptiness for a time, I have still had thoughts of those new silver dollars through the years, as I'm sure other kids in the neighborhood "coin club" have from time to time. Unlike dreams of the 1804 or 1794 silver dollars, the 1913 Liberty nickel, the 1943 copper cent, or other famous rarities that actually exist in physical form, it seemed for an entire lifetime that the impossibility of ever holding a 1964-D Peace Dollar in my hand would remain just that........an impossible dream.

Fast forward to the year 2010, and new rumors of the possible "minting" and release of a 1964-D Peace Dollar began to echo through numismatic circles, this time with details that piqued my interest on and off over the months leading up to the announcement that Daniel Carr would "over-strike" genuine Peace Dollars with a very accurate representation of what the genuine item probably looked like before being destroyed back in 1965. To add to the intrigue, Carr had obtained a surplus Denver Mint coining press which he restored to its original function, and planned to use it to strike the "new" coins. As time moved on, more rumors began to circulate that Carr was effectively challenging the status quo surrounding the Hobby Protection Act by claiming that his 1964-D Peace Dollar creations did not fall under the necessity of a "copy" stamp, which to the purist who enjoys the Peace Dollar design, made it all the more interesting. The controversy began to increase surrounding the issue, and in late 2010, the first coins were released......without the "copy" marking. These "fantasy overstrikes" as they have since become known, proved to be not only one of the most talked about issues in the hobby, but also the internet discussion forums, with literally thousands of postings in favor, in opposition, or in total indifference of the newly produced pieces.

Having been an avid coin collector most of my life, I have handled many tens of thousands of silver dollars, including a large percentage of Peace Dollars, and through such experience have learned the characteristics of look, feel, luster, and the little idiosyncrasies that make a Peace Dollar a Peace Dollar. After first obtaining a couple of the Carr overstrikes, I can say without hesitation that his "re-creation" of the 1964-D Peace Dollar is one of the most accurate renditions of the Peace Dollar that I can imagine possible. While some of the variations of this issue are interesting from the standpoint of Dan's own production blog on the coins, including the matte proof and mirror proof-like, and earlier "subdued luster" multiple struck pieces, the "high-luster" and "high-grade" examples are single struck in a manner that, to my eye, represent what is probably the most accurate portrayal of what the regular mint-issue coins would have looked like. The accuracy in design and luster of these overstrikes is the closest I can imagine to holding one of the original coins in my hand.

Just think of the long list of other restrike and overstrike coins that are (now) accepted as mainstream numismatic items, controversial though they may have been at the time of their production or discovery........ 1827 quarters, 1851 dollars, 1852 dollars, confederate cents, Washington and Independence cents, 1823 cent, continental dollars, fugio restrikes, 1840-1842-1845-1848 half cents, numerous modern bullion coins, many pattern pieces, American Plantation tokens, Castorlands, CSA half dollars, 1804 cents, and others I surely missed. It would not surprise me to eventually see Dan's 1964-D Peace Dollar accepted among the others, a coin not produced to deceive or defraud, but one to fill the desire of what otherwise "might have been".

For those lucky enough to have obtained one for our collection, or just to carry around as a pocket piece of "The Silver Dollar That Never Was", we understand the controversy, but ask only that those who have shown so much opposition give back a little understanding in return. We all collect what we like, or at least we should. That's what this hobby and so many others are about.......individual freedom to like what we like without having to apologize for not towing the mainstream line.

Thanks Dan....... for helping a long but never forgotten dream become a reality.

I got a 1964 D Peace Dollar!

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