Bingo. Even PCGS will grade a spotted coin PR66. One should not expect perfection at that grade level. That said, the seller is an amateur who should find some place else to sell.
<< <i>Toning spots on the silver coins are a minor problem, and figured into the grade. NGC usually grades these sets 68 if they are eye-clean. You bought a certified set under sight unseen conditions...for less than wholesale...AT AN AUCTION (which are NOT approval sales) and want to NEG the seller??? >>
frank's argument has convinced me. Seller deserves a neg. Seller broke ebay auction rules. Seller didn't give pertinent info upfront w/ picture nor description (and, reading the reply of the seller, in the OP, it does seem obvious seller knew there was a limiting issue to the value/desirability of the set).
Neg and SNAD. Help teach the seller about customer service and honesty when selling.
I would be kicking myself if the coin had a spot on the reverse and I had not asked to see the reverse. But I can see myself neglecting to do that. I would give a neutral and 1's on the applicable feedback ratings and explain in as many words as 80 characters allow.
But how bad is a spot on a proof 66? Can we see a pic?
In this case, he doesn't deserve a positive and the buyer hesitates to leave a negative, why not leave no feedback at all?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Why so much??? The pic of the obverse are no good, you couldn't even tell if there was a spot.
Seller sounds slimey, but the OP should have asked questions about return policy and the reverse.
As stated PR66 is no where near perfect. I sell a lot of PR66 material, and people get mad they don't get a perfect coin. PR66 is far from perfect, so what did you expect?
I say send the coins back, file SNAD and leave a neutral
I really laugh when I see people admit the seller was deceitful or slimy but put blame on the buyer. If the buyer had done more due diligence, it would have turned out differently, yes, but the seller was deceitful with the listing. In NO WAY, imho, should that person be excused, FOR ANY REASON
<< <i>I really laugh when I see people admit the seller was deceitful or slimy but put blame on the buyer. >>
There appears to be enough blame for both parties here.
<< <i>If the buyer had done more due diligence, it would have turned out differently... >>
If the buyer had done any due diligence, it would have turned out differently...
There- fixed it for you.
The reason sellers like this exist on eBay at all is that BUYERS CONTINUE TO BID IN THEIR AUCTIONS. Nobody will keep listing stuff for sale if they don't ever make any sales.
<< <i>If the buyer had done more due diligence, it would have turned out differently >>
If the seller was honest and made full disclosure, due diligence would not have been necessary.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Oh Lord, please help me. Please help me to not post trivial threads about trivial transactions. Please help me to be a Man, oh Lord, and to make decisions without first taking a poll. Please help me to be a Man. Oh Lord, please. Amen.
<< <i>If the seller was honest and made full disclosure, due diligence would not have been necessary. >>
Entirely true. And totally irrelevant. Copied directly from eBay:
Do your research
Learn all you can about the item. Read the item description carefully. Make sure you understand details about shipping and payment options. Don't make assumptions about details that aren't included in the description. (bold added)
Does anybody think it'll *ever* be possible to bid on anything you see on eBay with no risk? Not likely.
From the auction listing in question: "The seller will not accept returns for this item."
<< <i>Oh Lord, please help me. Please help me to not post trivial threads about trivial transactions. Please help me to be a Man, oh Lord, and to make decisions without first taking a poll. Please help me to be a Man. Oh Lord, please. Amen.
Comments
<< <i>How about a picture? and a link. >>
just to get somemore input on it
<< <i>Now you know why it was a PR66 set.
Lou >>
Bingo. Even PCGS will grade a spotted coin PR66. One should not expect perfection at that grade level. That said, the seller is an amateur who should find some place else to sell.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Toning spots on the silver coins are a minor problem, and figured into the grade. NGC usually grades these sets 68 if they are eye-clean. You bought a certified set under sight unseen conditions...for less than wholesale...AT AN AUCTION (which are NOT approval sales) and want to NEG the seller??? >>
frank's argument has convinced me. Seller deserves a neg.
Seller broke ebay auction rules. Seller didn't give pertinent info upfront w/ picture nor description (and, reading the reply of the seller, in the OP, it does seem obvious seller knew there was a limiting issue to the value/desirability of the set).
Neg and SNAD. Help teach the seller about customer service and honesty when selling.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I would be kicking myself if the coin had a spot on the reverse and I had not asked to see the reverse. But I can see myself neglecting to do that. I would give a neutral and 1's on the applicable feedback ratings and explain in as many words as 80 characters allow.
But how bad is a spot on a proof 66? Can we see a pic?
A neutral is just that.
If you're going to leave anything, make it a neg.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Why so much??? The pic of the obverse are no good, you couldn't even tell if there was a spot.
Seller sounds slimey, but the OP should have asked questions about return policy and the reverse.
As stated PR66 is no where near perfect. I sell a lot of PR66 material, and people get mad they don't get a perfect coin. PR66 is far from perfect, so what did you expect?
I say send the coins back, file SNAD and leave a neutral
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
If the buyer had done more due diligence, it would have turned out differently, yes, but the seller was deceitful with the listing. In NO WAY, imho, should that person be excused, FOR ANY REASON
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>I thought EBAY was going to force all coin auctions to have a picture of both sides. Not sure why this never went into effect.
>>
That is the eBay policy, and it is in effect. It is only enforced on a complaint basis, though. If no one complains, the auction runs as is.
http://www.shieldnickels.net
<< <i>I really laugh when I see people admit the seller was deceitful or slimy but put blame on the buyer. >>
There appears to be enough blame for both parties here.
<< <i>If the buyer had done more due diligence, it would have turned out differently... >>
If the buyer had done any due diligence, it would have turned out differently...
There- fixed it for you.
The reason sellers like this exist on eBay at all is that BUYERS CONTINUE TO BID IN THEIR AUCTIONS. Nobody will keep listing stuff for sale if they don't ever make any sales.
<< <i>If the buyer had done more due diligence, it would have turned out differently >>
If the seller was honest and made full disclosure, due diligence would not have been necessary.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Repeat.
<< <i>If the seller was honest and made full disclosure, due diligence would not have been necessary. >>
Entirely true. And totally irrelevant. Copied directly from eBay:
Do your research
Learn all you can about the item. Read the item description carefully. Make sure you understand details about shipping and payment options. Don't make assumptions about details that aren't included in the description. (bold added)
Does anybody think it'll *ever* be possible to bid on anything you see on eBay with no risk? Not likely.
From the auction listing in question: "The seller will not accept returns for this item."
How much more do you really need to see?
<< <i> Only the obverses of the coins were shown in the auction.
>>
Then why bid on it then?
Seriously, why would anyone bid on, or BIN, any coin(s) or sets with only one side of the coins pictured on the listing?
That's automatic pass up for me unless the seller will email pics of both sides.
<< <i>Oh Lord, please help me. Please help me to not post trivial threads about trivial transactions. Please help me to be a Man, oh Lord, and to make decisions without first taking a poll. Please help me to be a Man. Oh Lord, please. Amen.
Repeat. >>
Tell it brother!