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razzlerazzle Posts: 998 ✭✭✭
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When I first saw this ebay listing, I thought of the problem Keets was having with a seller who didn't get his price. This bidder won with a bid of $.01. Just as I was feeling some sympathy for the seller, I saw the shipping fee!

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Markets (governments) can remain irrational longer than an investor can remain solvent.

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  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭✭
    it's called fee avoidance

    www.brunkauctions.com

  • CratylusCratylus Posts: 871 ✭
    Although the seller doesn't accept returns, it's also a good way to avoid having to deal with them. Who's going to return a coin to get that $0.01 refund?

    Moreover, it would be funny to find out where this guy lives and if you lived close by, tell him you will need to pick up the coin in person since you live so close. image
  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    Moreover, it would be funny to find out where this guy lives and if you lived close by, tell him you will need to pick up the coin in person since you live so close. image >>



    "Item will be shipped in a padded mailer, local pick-up is not available, thanks"

    Fee avoidance. I can't believe eBay lets people get away with this. It is against their policy, it is unfair, and it should be simple to fix.
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭✭
    >>Although the seller doesn't accept returns, it's also a good way to avoid having to deal with them. Who's going to return a coin to get that $0.01 refund?>>



    i think this may be incorrect......i am under the impression that the full amount (item + shipping) is refunded

    www.brunkauctions.com

  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let's shut him down.
    Lance.
    Coin Photography Services / Everyman Registry set / BHNC #213
  • drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image
  • eggboneeggbone Posts: 615 ✭
    REPORTED!!!image
  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Reported. All of his auctions appear to be this way. If you haven't reported him, it's easy: Just click on the "report item" link on the right side of the screen right below the seller's name and other item info boxes. Then drop down menu "listing policy violations", then "excessive shipping and handling" (twice). Cut and paste the cost of his shipping, drop it into the comments field with a note about it being excessive.
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    Gotta hand it to eBay. They've managed to inspire you guys to do their work for them for free. The eBay fee police take down another dangerous criminal.
  • ScarsdaleCoinScarsdaleCoin Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am always shocked when I see the PCGS wolf pack go to town on reporting people.....

    Did Benjamin Franklin state:

    Mind Your Business
    Jon Lerner - Scarsdale Coin - www.CoinHelp.com
  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Theft increases costs to those of us who actually have morals.

    Nobody puts a gun to your head to make you use eBay. You agree to terms when you sign up.
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • razzlerazzle Posts: 998 ✭✭✭
    notwilight and Scarsdale,

    You are right that this isn't an aggravated felony punishable by lethal injection. Yet, do you agree that this seller is:

    a) deliberately misleading bidders? ( all of the sales of those 2010 ASEs were going for far less than the $68 someone got stuck with.)
    b) deliberately violating his agreement with ebay?

    I have dealt with you, nottwilight, and been very pleased with the transactions, with no ethical concerns. Scarsdale, I have enjoyed your posts for some time, again, never getting any sense of the above from you, either.
    Markets (governments) can remain irrational longer than an investor can remain solvent.
  • JupitarCoinsJupitarCoins Posts: 2,595 ✭


    << <i>I am always shocked when I see the PCGS wolf pack go to town on reporting people.....

    Did Benjamin Franklin state:

    Mind Your Business >>



    So you thinks its ok for the seller to be able over charge for shipping. That is blatant fee avoidance.
    I dont think you would run your auctions this way.
    Thank god for the people who report him!!
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  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭
    After seeing the shipping charge on this item, and seeing all his shipping charges, I reported him...every one of the items. $144 shipping on a 2.5 gram Pamp Suisse bar? Disgusting, to say the least.....fee avoidance at it's finest.
    I'll come up with something.
  • ecichlidecichlid Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭
    image
    There is no "AT" or "NT". We only have "market acceptable" or "not market acceptable.
  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭


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    I guess you have no problem with this sellers practice? Whats your ebay ID so I can avoid you.
    I'll come up with something.
  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    "tell him you will need to pick up the coin in person since you live so close" wouldnt you want to ask if you could rather than assuming the seller would agree to it ? if the shipping charges are too high then why not just avoid the auction ? i dont see what reason there is to become involved enough to report the seller for anything. he is the one paying the fees. or not paying them as may be the case. i dont see an issue with the seller, its called free enterprise. if no one bids on his auctions, he will cease the inflated shipping prices. kind of like the US mint, if people stopped buying the overpriced junk, then there wouldnt be a larger barrage of it every year.
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭
    Use this link, and you can report up to 10 at a time.
    I'll come up with something.
  • ecichlidecichlid Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>image >>



    I guess you have no problem with this sellers practice? Whats your ebay ID so I can avoid you. >>



    It's the same as my user name here.
    There is no "AT" or "NT". We only have "market acceptable" or "not market acceptable.
  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    i still have some room in my bidder block, im always happy to add another buyer who would like to run my auctions for me.
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>image >>



    I guess you have no problem with this sellers practice? Whats your ebay ID so I can avoid you. >>



    It's the same as my user name here. >>



    Thank you.
    I'll come up with something.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I can see both sides of the coin here.

    On one hand his avoidance of final value fees could cost everyone else in the long run.

    On the other hand Ebay should be the one policing itself.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    ebay doesnt have to pay anyone to police thier listings, they have plenty of people volunteering to do that for free. must be nice to have all that free time on one's hands !
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>notwilight and Scarsdale,

    You are right that this isn't an aggravated felony punishable by lethal injection. Yet, do you agree that this seller is:

    a) deliberately misleading bidders? ( all of the sales of those 2010 ASEs were going for far less than the $68 someone got stuck with.)
    b) deliberately violating his agreement with ebay?

    I have dealt with you, nottwilight, and been very pleased with the transactions, with no ethical concerns. Scarsdale, I have enjoyed your posts for some time, again, never getting any sense of the above from you, either. >>



    If we run an tattle on every one who violates a rule, or avoid doing business with everyone who has ever done an unethical act, we will live a lonely life. Sure, I agree with and actively participate in all ebay police efforts to bust counterfeiters and scammers trying to rip off buyers. But I can't get very excited for someone trying to save on ebay fees, even if they are violating ebay rules. Leave that to ebay to enforce. I don't stand on a street corner with a radar gun calling the cops for speeders either. Ebay is a big boy. They don't need my help to collect their fees.

    Ebay has gotten way out of control with fees and is working rapidly toward making it impossible to sell reasonably price coins. I calculated fees on a $90 sale for another thread the other day and it was 13+ percent. So if you're a buyer you're paying 13% juice. Why sell on ebay when at Heritage for 15% you get a well promoted auction with guaranteed bidders.

    I predict a continued decline on ebay sales of coins. I haven't decided if I'm even going to list the 2010 Proof Silver eagles on ebay or not.

    --Jerry
  • RMLTM79RMLTM79 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭


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    hahaha! Good stuff!

    Edited to add :

    image

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