Let's play a game.

itzagoner · November 28, 2010 7:28AM

except, there are no winners, because i think there is only one answer and everyone should get it.....i think.

so, please examine the scans of the card(s) below and tell me, is there anything about these two scans that would lead you to believe that this is THE EXACT SAME CARD?!?

if you are drinking, please do not participate in this contest because you might be right.

bigwilli · November 28, 2010 7:32AM

No....Theres a print dot in the lower right corner near the black border on
the 2nd card but not on first

Sean1125 · November 28, 2010 7:32AM

Bottom one looks trimmed and recoloured

detroitfan2 · November 28, 2010 7:34AM

They are not the same card, the bottom one is about 1/2 inch wider (thank you very much, I'll be here all day).

But seriously folks, they are only the same card if someone trimmed the top one to get the bottom one and . . . added the little white printing imperfection (looks like a small white dot with a plus sign through it) on the bottom right of the black border that surrounds the picture (on the bottom card).

HeritageAddict · November 28, 2010 7:38AM

The top one looks to have white stars around the sig block.

itzagoner · November 28, 2010 7:38AM

keep it coming guys....i'd appreciate if everyone who clicks and reads would simply offer and post their opinion. thanks.

jimrad · November 28, 2010 7:40AM

not the same - Phil looks heavier in the 2nd one

bigwilli · November 28, 2010 7:42AM

looks like theres print mark on his hat too in the 2nd scan

Tedw9 · November 28, 2010 7:43AM

On the top one, there is a tilt that has a smaller border on the left that starts thin on top and ends thicker on bottom. The other card has a tilt, top left border thicker and gets thinner at the bottom.

swartz1 · November 28, 2010 7:47AM

yellow stars / white stars...

ddfamf · November 28, 2010 7:47AM

...what tedw9 said

Bunker · November 28, 2010 7:50AM

<< On the top one, there is a tilt that has a smaller border on the left that starts thin on top and ends thicker on bottom. The other card has a tilt, top left border thicker and gets thinner at the bottom. >>

This was my observation as well.

zep33 · November 28, 2010 7:51AM

I'm gonna be different and say they are the same but the top was done with a crappy all in one scanner and the bottom one with a good scanner like a V300

itzagoner · November 28, 2010 7:53AM

thanks Tedw9, with the readily obvious answer i was looking for....what i'm trying to figure out here, SOBER LOL, is if the picture got flipped and the borders relocated. could be.

the top scan is the one which accompanied an eBay auction i recently won, bottom scan is the card i actually received.....now here's the fun part.

seller insists that it's the same card and we've since had an exchange regarding my insistence of this fact and my desire to return it.....i asked if this person would give me an e-mail address so i could send the scans over as proof, haven't heard back since.

anyways, i swear, i have NOT been

, and i don't need prescription glasses bigger. i think.

Bunker · November 28, 2010 7:54AM

<< yellow stars / white stars... >>

red hearts...Green clovers...yellow moons

OAKESY25 · November 28, 2010 8:00AM

despite the obvious tilt.. I like the bottom one better

PSASAP · November 28, 2010 8:02AM

Have you filed a claim with PayPal yet?

itzagoner · November 28, 2010 8:04AM

<< despite the obvious tilt.. I like the bottom one better >>

oh man, don't even go there.

you think i should........KEEP IT?

itzagoner · November 28, 2010 8:05AM

<< Have you filed a claim with PayPal yet? >>

i'm trying to work it out with the seller, i think that will happen eventually and i will be refunded.

oh yeah, one other thing i forgot to mention.......this person says they went to........LAW SCHOOL.

OAKESY25 · November 28, 2010 8:32AM

you think i should........KEEP IT?

I would.. top-bottom is nicer and
you can see more of the left to right border as well
not to mention the dull stars on the first..

hammered · November 28, 2010 8:45AM

I like the bottom card better as well
It's brighter and presents better
Otherwise they seem to be the same grade

itzagoner · November 28, 2010 8:50AM

you guys are spinnin' my beanie.

at least you're helping me build a case for the fact that they are indeed different.

SDSportsFan · November 28, 2010 8:54AM

I say not the same card, for the following two main reasons:

The top card appears to be diamond cut with a tilt to the right, while the bottom card is diamond cut with a tilt to the left.

The bottom card has a fish eye at the bottom right of the black border, while the top card does not have the fish eye.

Steve

Sportsamerica · November 28, 2010 12:59PM

<< The bottom card has a fish eye at the bottom right of the black border, while the top card does not have the fish eye. >>

Agree.

OAKESY25 · November 28, 2010 1:08PM

I don't see how you would have to make a case that those
2 cards are different.. all you need are eyeballs

you may need to prove the seller sent the wrong card to you.. but not that the 2 cards are different
maybe he thinks you are trying to keep his card and return a lesser condition card?

itzagoner · November 28, 2010 1:59PM

yeah, i've received my invitation to return for refund, but i'm not so sure.....i smell scam.

after examining the card a little more, i can see several wrinkles across the surface of the card reverse, nothing major which penetrates to the front, but they are there just the same.....meanwhile seller has reminded me in another communication that they showed the card to a couple different dealers and they know what it's worth.....BTW, this did evolve from a me vs. seller, to the seller defending his/her position by using "we" which indicates to me that more than one person is involved.....all over 50-something freeking dollars and the card "they" are still presumably holding is a card some guy told them might be worth a couple hundred, so why send it to a lucky auction winner, when there might be a crappier one laying around.

i don't know how else to perceive this.

i don't trust "them".

i'm leaning towards just keeping the damn card and dropping a neg-bomb on a newbie seller with a ZERO feedback rating.....i thought it was worth the gamble to go after a decent looking card, but now, i just feel like revenge.

HoofHearted · November 28, 2010 2:46PM

Good idea to keep track of what is offered for sale and what is delivered. I've caught a seller or two doing the ole switcheroo.

The cards are different no doubt about it.

Let us know how this ends up!

dabiguniverseman · November 30, 2010 3:17AM

Lower left is definetely different.

byronscott4ever · November 30, 2010 3:28AM

<< No....Theres a print dot in the lower right corner near the black border on
the 2nd card but not on first >>

+1

OAKESY25 · November 30, 2010 4:02AM

just get your money back and move on.. leaving a neg for someone with no feedback isn't going to solve anything
the will just start a new id.
since they are new I believe paypal holds the money anyway..
ship with a dc

itzagoner · November 30, 2010 4:06AM

<< just get your money back and move on.. leaving a neg for someone with no feedback isn't going to solve anything
the will just start a new id.
since they are new I believe paypal holds the money anyway..
ship with a dc >>

too late. already alerted the masses.

my concern was that in sending the card back i would open myself up to speculation simply because they could say i sent THEM a different card....no, this just needed to end, i've got the card.....other than the wrinkles on the back it seems ok, certainly not a dog for the price....if i have any further suspicions about this person(s) now or in the future, i'll make sure i'm not the only one who knows about it.

thanks to all for comments and advice.

frankhardy · November 30, 2010 6:55AM

The bottom one is much larger. Did they make a jumbo sized 52 Topps?

Let's play a game.

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