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1880-s Morgan - What will it grade?

Rooster1Rooster1 Posts: 381 ✭✭✭
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I would appreciate your opinion of what you think this coin would grade.
All pictures are of the same coin.

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  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,158 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63 or 64 if the surfaces are original.

    I'll lean toward 64, but pictures can be deceiving.

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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,948 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63 on a bad day, 64 on a good day.
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  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,494 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It might be your picture taking technique, but I amk not fond of the coin's surfaces. They appear altered to me. If they are original, and that is if, then I think the coin would grade MS64. However, I could certainly see the coin grading MS63+. But again, that depends on whether or not the surfaces are actually original.


  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,494 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Your 1921 Peace Dollar in your other thread certainly does appear to have altered or cleaned surfaces, and would, thereofre, bodybag.




  • Rooster1Rooster1 Posts: 381 ✭✭✭
    It"s got to be my picture taking (non-skills). The coin looks ms 66 in hand.
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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,948 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The hits on the cheek and reeding marks in the field preclude a 66 grade.
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  • stinky2005stinky2005 Posts: 34
    Looks like an early strike after the dies were heavily polished. Some nice fields, but with those marks under PLU, the scuff under her chin off of the 3rd left star, the diagonal scratch on her face, and the chatter in the fields on the right side, will keep it around MS63 IMO.
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS64
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,608 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It"s got to be my picture taking (non-skills). The coin looks ms 66 in hand. >>



    Given the marks on the cheek there no way that that 1881-S dollar will grade MS-66. The reverse is MS-66, but the obverse sets the grade, and on that side it's a lock MS-63, and if you get a decent roll, it's an MS-64.

    The 1881-S dollar is common in MS-65. To get any higher than that, it must be an outstanding coin with either great toning or very smooth, virtually unmarked surfaces.
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  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,552 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Reverse is a 66, but the reverse doesnt count. Obverse is a 63.5. Holder will read 63 or 64.
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,851 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It might be your picture taking technique, but I amk not fond of the coin's surfaces. They appear altered to me. If they are original, and that is if, then I think the coin would grade MS64. However, I could certainly see the coin grading MS63+. But again, that depends on whether or not the surfaces are actually original. >>



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  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,494 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It"s got to be my picture taking (non-skills). The coin looks ms 66 in hand. >>


    If you truly feel the coin is an MS66, then let me suggest purchasing five coins already graded by PCGS. The five coins should be MS62, MS63, MS64, MS65, and MS66. You should purchase 1880S, 1881S or 1882S as those would be your cheapest options. All five of those coins should be able to be purchased for under $500 total. I think that will be a fantastic piece of tuition to help educate yourself. I mean no offense to you or your coins. Hopefully, you are not out buying raw coins at overgraded prices and thinking you are getting lucky. Better to learn now before it is too late.


  • sweetwillietsweetwilliet Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭
    I agree with the above. The cheek must be clean for a 65. The obverse holds this particular coin back from loftier grades, and is a 63 on one day, a 64 on others.
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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yeah,... what they said...

    I do like the piece of advice about buying a grading set MS62-66... or you could just look at alot of coins in this grade rangeand get your grading skills down... this is what I did and my learning curve took about a year to get a handle on grading MS Morgan Dollars
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  • Rooster1Rooster1 Posts: 381 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>It"s got to be my picture taking (non-skills). The coin looks ms 66 in hand. >>


    If you truly feel the coin is an MS66, then let me suggest purchasing five coins already graded by PCGS. The five coins should be MS62, MS63, MS64, MS65, and MS66. You should purchase 1880S, 1881S or 1882S as those would be your cheapest options. All five of those coins should be able to be purchased for under $500 total. I think that will be a fantastic piece of tuition to help educate yourself. I mean no offense to you or your coins. Hopefully, you are not out buying raw coins at overgraded prices and thinking you are getting lucky. Better to learn now before it is too late. >>


    Thanks for the advise. I"m sure I don"t have much money in this coin or any other coin. These coins were purchased a long time ago.
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  • customrollcustomroll Posts: 523 ✭
    Save your money and don't send it in. You won't like what ever they grade it, because it sure won't be 65 or higher.
  • JupitarCoinsJupitarCoins Posts: 2,595 ✭
    The reverse has an incredible strike but the obverse will hold it back to a 63 maybe 64 imho.
    Still a nice looking coinimage
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  • golfer72golfer72 Posts: 3,588
    Save your money and dont buy a grading set. There is such inconsistency in grading it would do you know good and you could end up with misgraded coins which would mislead you.. Better to just look at lots of coins to get a feel for the different grades and representative coins of each grade.
  • coindudeonebaycoindudeonebay Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭
    There appears to be a pretty harsh scratch on the cheek, at least on one of the pictures. The reeded field is a pretty big distraction. 63PL at best.
  • ArizonaJackArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭
    63
    It is a beautiful reverse, but those obverse hits ouch. I could see a 64 if you win the lottery
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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i don't think the surfaces are original
    the luster doesn't look right
    perhaps cleaned
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  • TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,054 ✭✭✭
    three shot four.
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  • dbcoindbcoin Posts: 2,200 ✭✭
    65
  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,371 ✭✭✭✭✭
    absolute highest grade would be a 64.
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  • MasterGunsMasterGuns Posts: 408 ✭✭
    The cheek keeps it at 63. Have you tried comparing your coin to the online photogrades?


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  • mumumumu Posts: 1,840


    << <i>It"s got to be my picture taking (non-skills). The coin looks ms 66 in hand. >>



    You should look at a few graded 66s. They look flawless. You wont find any with even a single ring of that massive reed hit under the P L U in pluribus for starters. Anytime i see a 66 it takes me a t least a few minutes to figure out why its not a 67. Sometimes I cant even tell. This one would go 63 PCGS 64 NGC IMO.

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