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Toned coin dealers/collectors, which do you prefer, a PCGS slab or NGC slab with a star?

AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,375 ✭✭✭✭
How much does that star on an NGC slab increase the value?
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I prefer nice coins, and I don't care what the holder says. I've seen coins with stars that are crap, and I have coins that should have gotten stars but didn't. I've seen coins in PCGS holders that are amazing, and I've seen coins in PCGS holders that are ugly as sin. My most impressive Morgan dollar is raw because the Capital Plastics holder it's in is elegant and I didn't want to throw away $30 for a new holder.

    Just buy the coin.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,853 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I prefer nice coins, and I don't care what the holder says. I've seen coins with stars that are crap, and I have coins that should have gotten stars but didn't. I've seen coins in PCGS holders that are amazing, and I've seen coins in PCGS holders that are ugly as sin. My most impressive Morgan dollar is raw because the Capital Plastics holder it's in is elegant and I didn't want to throw away $30 for a new holder.

    Just buy the coin. >>



    Good response. It comes down to the specific coin without regard to which slab it's in.

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    dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    PCGS. The NGC star is totally meaningless to me.
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    If the toning is attractive that star can result in a hefty premium. I've sold 3 franklins that have had the star and all 3 went for high premiums but imo they deserved it!
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    mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    I find many of the NGC stars very attractive and if I collected coins, would buy them. However because I am so scared of Chinese counterfeits, I stick with buying 90% to satisfy my collecting image
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    bidaskbidask Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭✭
    pcgs...to many ngc coins have been to ncs
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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While I find the star cool and it brings some premium it really doesn't matter to me between a toned coin in a PCGS holder or a NGC coin in a star holder. MJ
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    littlebearlittlebear Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I prefer nice coins, and I don't care what the holder says. I've seen coins with stars that are crap, and I have coins that should have gotten stars but didn't. I've seen coins in PCGS holders that are amazing, and I've seen coins in PCGS holders that are ugly as sin. My most impressive Morgan dollar is raw because the Capital Plastics holder it's in is elegant and I didn't want to throw away $30 for a new holder.

    Just buy the coin. >>




    Great response Jeremy. This is indeed the basis of the hobby.

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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well if it has to an entombed example I'd rather have a rattler, OGH, or Soap Bar holder...

    As it reminds me of an era when the collector could judge if a coin was PQ on their own.
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    dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭


    << <i><< I prefer nice coins, and I don't care what the holder says. I've seen coins with stars that are crap, and I have coins that should have gotten stars but didn't. I've seen coins in PCGS holders that are amazing, and I've seen coins in PCGS holders that are ugly as sin. My most impressive Morgan dollar is raw because the Capital Plastics holder it's in is elegant and I didn't want to throw away $30 for a new holder.

    Just buy the coin. >>
    Great response Jeremy. This is indeed the basis of the hobby. >>


    It's a fine perspective, but it doesn't answer the OPs question. The OPs question was about which holder people prefer. The rubber stamp answer is buy the coin, not holder. We all know that. What the OP asked was do we prefer PCGS or an NGC star.

    I like Broadstruck's answer the best image
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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PCGS all the way!!! I will buy coins I like in other holders and then cross them to PCGS.

    That star or cac don't mean squat!
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I like Broadstruck's answer the best image >>



    Thanks Doh image
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,811 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If the toning is attractive that star can result in a hefty premium. I've sold 3 franklins that have had the star and all 3 went for high premiums but imo they deserved it! >>

    This test fails Statistics 101. There is no proof that the star added or subtracted any value to the coins sold. All you know is that the coins received a premium. I've paid huge premiums for coins without stars because the coins deserved it. A star on the label would have resulted in no difference in my valuation of those pieces. Similarly, I've handled coins with stars for which I would not pay the going rate for the date/grade.
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    ..........I take the NGC Star's and use them in the garage to level off the shelves.


    The PCGS slab is the only plastic worthy enough to hold my most prized Mighty , Mighty Franklins
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    << <i>If the toning is attractive that star can result in a hefty premium. I've sold 3 franklins that have had the star and all 3 went for high premiums but imo they deserved it! >>

    This test fails Statistics 101. There is no proof that the star added or subtracted any value to the coins sold. All you know is that the coins received a premium. I've paid huge premiums for coins without stars because the coins deserved it. A star on the label would have resulted in no difference in my valuation of those pieces. Similarly, I've handled coins with stars for which I would not pay the going rate for the date/grade. >>



    I must say you got a point i didnt think of it that way. Personally i dont care what the label says, what plastic its in, or what a seller describes it as. To limit yourself to any of those 3 doesnt make you a collector but more of a bandwagon rider or a registry game player image
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    << <i>..........I take the NGC Star's and use them in the garage to level off the shelves.


    The PCGS slab is the only plastic worthy enough to hold my most prized Mighty , Mighty Franklins >>

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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,804 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PCGS. The NGC star is totally meaningless to me. >>

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    MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,618 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>PCGS. The NGC star is totally meaningless to me. >>

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    lusterloverlusterlover Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭✭
    Guys,

    The OP asked a simple question. Put down the koolaid. Does anyone have some recent sales/auction experience where a star coin met or exceeded an equivalent graded PCGS coin. Let's not go off on tangents.
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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,340 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It would not add value for me.
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the coin still holds the orig grade then the * means something. If the coin has been bumped into grade because of the * then it's probably worth less than the grade assigned.

    If it were pot luck and I didn't get to see either coin before buying them, then I'd take the PCGS coin.

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    CoppercolorCoppercolor Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭
    I've tried to figure the calculus on this, but the math is not consistent. There are many slightly toned coins that get a star but which would put a toned coin collector to sleep, and go for moon money anyway. The star clearly did some big selling. Then there are monster toned coins which don't get a star but toned coin collectors are climbing over each other to get.

    I used to think colorful copper had to be in a PCGS holder to get serious interest from copper collectors, until I learned that there are more NGC copper collectors than PCGS out there. Saw a fugly 57D lincoln graded 67*RB go for $1050 on teletrade but that coin in a PCGS of any kind wouldn't have fetched 1/3 of that amount. The star did all the selling IMO.

    So the star is a powerful marketing tool even though it's meaningless as a determinant of eye appeal.

    I still only trust PCGS' opinion on copper color and authenticity.
    I'd like my copper well done please!
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    quality/color of toning

    trumps both slab or score(designation) on slab
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    PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭
    For me I prefer my washingtons in pcgs plastic hands down. Star doesn't matter much to me, yeah its cool and helps when selling some IMO.

    But I just like the clear plastic better, and the ngc slabs are like looking into a cave for small denominations.

    But I definitely buy both, as I'm after the currency disks inside.
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    ArizonaJackArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭
    I dont give a carp...I buy the coin, not the plastic. Good lookers are good lookers, regardless of their tomb.
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    rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭
    Coin matters -- not the holder
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    CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭
    The NGC star is just silly. They need to tell you that the coin has exceptional eye appeal? Perhaps color blind collectors find it useful.

    I sense that this thread is going to devolve into another chorus of “buy the coin not the holder” when most folks ought to be buying the coin and the holder, including paying a price commensurate with fact that an NGC coin might not grade out at PCGS.

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    AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,375 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Guys,

    The OP asked a simple question. Put down the koolaid. Does anyone have some recent sales/auction experience where a star coin met or exceeded an equivalent graded PCGS coin. Let's not go off on tangents. >>



    Yep! For those who say it's silly, doesnt a CAC sticker do the same?
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    PQpeacePQpeace Posts: 4,802 ✭✭✭
    Buy the coin,not the holder.
    I have sold some monster NGC toners..

    My customers would rather have PCGS in alot of cases.
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    CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭


    << <i>Yep! For those who say it's silly, doesnt a CAC sticker do the same? >>



    No, the CAC sticker is not the same as a star. CAC stickes coins based on whether they agree with the assigned grade and means that in their opinion the grade is correct and the coin is not low end for the grade on the holder. A gold star means they believe the coin is undergraded. CAC would not sticker an NGC star coin if they believed it was overgraded, AT, puttied or otherwise messed with.

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    AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,375 ✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Yep! For those who say it's silly, doesnt a CAC sticker do the same? >>



    No, the CAC sticker is not the same as a star. CAC stickes coins based on whether they agree with the assigned grade and means that in their opinion the grade is correct and the coin is not low end for the grade on the holder. A gold star means they believe the coin is undergraded. CAC would not sticker an NGC star coin if they believed it was overgraded, AT, puttied or otherwise messed with.

    CG >>



    So you have two opinions of a coins grade on a slab? Seriously.
    I prefer PCGS holders myself, but that doesnt mean I would buy a nice looking coin in an NGC holder.
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
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    I'd take the star over the plain PCGS, however I prefer a plain PCGS to a plain NGC .

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