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Next time your PO tells you coins are not covered
agentjim007
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Have them check the code book.
item 4.1.g:
“Fair market value of stamps and coins of philatelic or numismatic value, as determined by a recognized stamp or coin dealer or current coin and stamp collectors newsletters and trade papers.”
can be insured.
item 4.1.g:
“Fair market value of stamps and coins of philatelic or numismatic value, as determined by a recognized stamp or coin dealer or current coin and stamp collectors newsletters and trade papers.”
can be insured.
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I can't tell my Parole Office about my coins, he'll Confiscate them. LOL
You hear about it in so many different cases.
Once upon a time, I had a group of clerks converge on me telling me that I can't insure first class mail.
It's ludicrous.
I am a parole officer. You need to bring me all your coins NOW!!!
<< <i>I can't tell my Parole Office about my coins, he'll Confiscate them
I am a parole officer. You need to bring me all your coins NOW!!! >>
But But But
They are in my Wife's Name ha ha ha
<< <i>It kills me that certain clerks, (well, supervisors in many cases), have their own interpretation of the DMM......
You hear about it in so many different cases.
Once upon a time, I had a group of clerks converge on me telling me that I can't insure first class mail.
It's ludicrous. >>
The big fish in a very small pond.
"For negotiable items, currency, or bullion, the maximum indemnity is $15.00."
Domestic Mail Manual Chapter 609
The things I don’t always agree with are always worth considering.
you don't when you mail but are you going to lie if you have to file a claim? They will want to know then.
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that is for spending money.
years ago I received an insurance check from the PO for a lost package of coins. I filled out a form declaring value then mailed it to the buyer he filled out his part confirming value (submitted no receipts). I was paid.
<< <i>Why are you guys telling the PO what's in your package?! >>
Do they or don't they have a right to know? Not interested in opinions; just the legal facts maam.
<< <i>Have them check the code book.
item 4.1.g:
“Fair market value of stamps and coins of philatelic or numismatic value, as determined by a recognized stamp or coin dealer or current coin and stamp collectors newsletters and trade papers.”
can be insured. >>
Perhaps you should print this, put it in one of those sheet protectors and give it to them to keep around for future reference.
<< <i>"For negotiable items, currency, or bullion, the maximum indemnity is $15.00."
that is for spending money.
years ago I received an insurance check from the PO for a lost package of coins. I filled out a form declaring value then mailed it to the buyer he filled out his part confirming value (submitted no receipts). I was paid. >>
Could be open to interpretation, especially the "bullion" part. It could easily be argued that American Eagles in all three metals are both currency (face value) and bullion.
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I agree and probably why so much confusion. I read what I posted so use it if it's helpful or don't...your call.
<< <i>Why are you guys telling the PO what's in your package?! >>
...i agree. i tell them i'm mailing it for someone else and they didn't tell me what's in the package, but just mail it as per
these instructions for insurance.
you leave the premises?
The things I don’t always agree with are always worth considering.
I just found that out this a month a ago in a slip of the tongue while at the PO, and I was mailing a package last week and they asked about signature confirmation and I mention the insurance signature and they just smiled on went on.
That clued me in that they don't WANT you to know so they don't tell you. Don't ask, don't tell. Beware!
4.0 Insured Mail
4.2 Basic Information
4.2.1 Description
d. Insured mail service provides the mailer with a mailing receipt. No record of insured mail is kept at the office of mailing. For mail insured for $200.00 or less, the USPS maintains delivery information (not including a signature) for a specified period of time. For mail insured for more than $200.00, the USPS maintains a delivery record (which includes the recipient's signature) for a specified period of time. Customers may obtain a delivery record by purchasing additional services; see 6.0 for details.
A month or so ago I had a package addressed to a coin shop.
Here's exactly how it went.
Me "I'd like to insure this for $100"
Her "What's in it?"
Me "A personal gift"
Her "What kind of gift?"
Me "Personal"
Her "I have to know what's inside or I can't insure it."
Me "You don't have to know what's inside. Give me my $100 insurance and pick on someone else today Patty."
She said "o.k. but if there's a problem don't come to me".
I whippped out my cell phone, shot a picture of the insured package and said,"If I have a problem I won't be coming to you."
Great post agentjim, I'll study up on that reg for next time.
Plus a my PO i get all the latest gossip around town.
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<< <i>503 Extra Services
4.0 Insured Mail
4.2 Basic Information
4.2.1 Description
d. Insured mail service provides the mailer with a mailing receipt. No record of insured mail is kept at the office of mailing. For mail insured for $200.00 or less, the USPS maintains delivery information (not including a signature) for a specified period of time. For mail insured for more than $200.00, the USPS maintains a delivery record (which includes the recipient's signature) for a specified period of time. Customers may obtain a delivery record by purchasing additional services; see 6.0 for details. >>
So basically for $201 and above you have to pay a fee if there is an issue rather than adding signature confirmation up front which you pay even if there is no problem.
<< <i>Have them check the code book.
item 4.1.g:
“Fair market value of stamps and coins of philatelic or numismatic value, as determined by a recognized stamp or coin dealer or current coin and stamp collectors newsletters and trade papers.”
can be insured. >>
Why are you telling them there are coins in there?
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We used to have clerk that always said "Why Registered? You don't need that! What's in here?"
After a while, I figured out the best answer was "because the boss said so."
<< <i>A month or so ago I had a package addressed to a coin shop.
Here's exactly how it went.
Me "I'd like to insure this for $100"
Her "What's in it?"
Me "A personal gift"
Her "What kind of gift?"
Me "Personal"
Her "I have to know what's inside or I can't insure it."
Me "You don't have to know what's inside. Give me my $100 insurance and pick on someone else today Patty."
She said "o.k. but if there's a problem don't come to me".
I whippped out my cell phone, shot a picture of the insured package and said,"If I have a problem I won't be coming to you."
Great post agentjim, I'll study up on that reg for next time. >>
Sounds like we all go to the same PO.
Hoard the keys.
...when they ask you what's in the package just ask them WHEN ARE STAMPS GOING UP AGAIN?
<< <i>Maybe you might already know this, but I've been shipping packages for many years, insured and with signature delivery. Never ONCE in all those years did someone there point out that if you insure for more than $100 then it automatically requires a signature.
I just found that out this a month a ago in a slip of the tongue while at the PO, and I was mailing a package last week and they asked about signature confirmation and I mention the insurance signature and they just smiled on went on.
That clued me in that they don't WANT you to know so they don't tell you. Don't ask, don't tell. Beware! >>
They raised the signature to over $200 recently.
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<< <i>I often thought what the hell is the difference what is inside? If I insure an empty package it is your job to get it there then you pay nothing. >>
Because some things are verboten like guns, ammunition, drugs, hazardous chemicals; stuff like that.
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<< <i>I often thought what the hell is the difference what is inside? If I insure an empty package it is your job to get it there then you pay nothing. >>
Because some things are verboten like guns, ammunition, drugs, hazardous chemicals; stuff like that. >>
Which is why clerks are only authorized to ask: Does this package contain any liquid, fragile, perishable or hazardous material? And only in the case where the answer is yes, you must be prepared to be able to justify that your mailing is compliant with the terms of the DMM(Domestic Mailing Manual). Otherwise, the contents of a package are none of a postal clerk's business. No exceptions. I made a point long ago to know the sections of the DMM that would affect my mailings, and I have never been refused service, even when mailing hazardous materials, because the clerks I have dealt with in many different stations know that I know the DMM better than they do. Do you really expect that a union postal employee making $20+ per hour has ever taken the time to review the DMM? LOL!
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<< <i>A month or so ago I had a package addressed to a coin shop.
Here's exactly how it went.
Me "I'd like to insure this for $100"
Her "What's in it?"
Me "A personal gift"
Her "What kind of gift?"
Me "Personal"
Her "I have to know what's inside or I can't insure it."
Me "You don't have to know what's inside. Give me my $100 insurance and pick on someone else today Patty."
She said "o.k. but if there's a problem don't come to me".
I whippped out my cell phone, shot a picture of the insured package and said,"If I have a problem I won't be coming to you."
Great post agentjim, I'll study up on that reg for next time. >>
I simply reply "nothing liquid, hazardous, dangerous or flammable. That answers all of the questions you are required to ask, right?"
Their answer has always been "yes". Now I do mostly postage over the Interweb, so the human curiousity factor is removed.
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<< <i>However, for express mail only (para. 4.2.c):
"For negotiable items, currency, or bullion, the maximum indemnity is $15.00."
Domestic Mail Manual Chapter 609 >>
This is correct! Express mail cannot be insured for coins/bullion valued over $15.
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<< <i>They never ask me what I am shipping they just ask if it fragile or a liquid. But its good to know just in case... >>
Occasionally they will ask about contents. I argured but was told they have the right to ask under new "Homeland Security" rules. I just reply, "well comrade, I'm shipping jewelry." Doesn't matter what you tell them, if and when it comes time to file an insurance claim there is no documentation on what you told them at the time of shipping.
The things I don’t always agree with are always worth considering.
Thx agent good info.Wrote in down in my red book.
<< <i>Have them check the code book.
item 4.1.g:
“Fair market value of stamps and coins of philatelic or numismatic value, as determined by a recognized stamp or coin dealer or current coin and stamp collectors newsletters and trade papers.”
can be insured. >>
...could you give some examples of what in particular might be accepted as far as "collectors newsletters and trade
papers?" thanks.
<< <i>
<< <i>Have them check the code book.
item 4.1.g:
“Fair market value of stamps and coins of philatelic or numismatic value, as determined by a recognized stamp or coin dealer or current coin and stamp collectors newsletters and trade papers.”
can be insured. >>
...could you give some examples of what in particular might be accepted as far as "collectors newsletters and trade
papers?" thanks.
Collectors newsletters or trade papers could be a magazine such as Coin Values or even a current Red Book
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Have them check the code book.
item 4.1.g:
“Fair market value of stamps and coins of philatelic or numismatic value, as determined by a recognized stamp or coin dealer or current coin and stamp collectors newsletters and trade papers.”
can be insured. >>
...could you give some examples of what in particular might be accepted as far as "collectors newsletters and trade
papers?" thanks.
Collectors newsletters or trade papers could be a magazine such as Coin Values or even a current Red Book >>
...seems to me their insurance agent MAY want to contest something like that but i could be wrong. seems a little
too easy, especially when trying to settle a claim. i would hope i'm overly cautious. hopefully i'll be spared
the ordeal. so far i have been.
Does this package contain any liquid, fragile, perishable or hazardous material
Successful Trades: Swampboy,
<< <i>I may have to test this one. I won a few thousand dollars of coins from a recent Heritage auction. Allegedly, the USPS dropped a card in my mailbox that they attempted delivery on the 2nd. I never got the card, and when I went to the PO on Saturday, they had no record of anything. As of this morning, the tracking info still says "Attempted delivery on Oct 2" I wrote to Heritage... >>
...please let us know what happens!!