yeah , it was kicked around the BST ...... I do own it
you must be havin' a downer day , else your green with envy ; or else you got a bunch of the finest most colorful, full blown rainbow monsters in this galaxy - if you think this 46-S is only "nice"
nice is the way I kiss my Aunt .....nice is helping an old lady across the street .......... nice is what we are when someone posts a coin that is nothing special , but we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings .........
....who knows ? who cares .....it's in a PCGS MS66 holder ; thats all that matters to me - that and the fact its gorgous >>
Is it damaged or what? Scratches? Scrapes? It will take away the eye appeal and possibly the grade if something objectionable in happening with those white lines by Washington's nose. I would like to think that it's an area that was blocked from toning completely or perhaps the toning there was somehow rubbed away. Your explaination, "who cares .....it's in a PCGS MS66 holder" suggests that whatever is happening in that area shouldn't be a problem because (whoo hoo!) it's in a PCGS MS66 holder.
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<< <i>you must be havin' a downer day , else your green with envy ; or else you got a bunch of the finest most colorful, full blown rainbow monsters in this galaxy - if you think this 46-S is only "nice"
nice is the way I kiss my Aunt .....nice is helping an old lady across the street .......... nice is what we are when someone posts a coin that is nothing special , but we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings ......... >>
The text in bold is closest to reality, in my opinion.
Not trying to be a Debbie downer, but I think the '46-s is questionable toning. I have seen many other washingtons toned like this, usually always on the money side(obverse) and I think they are really good AT jobs. Enhanced toning from sulfur containing products (napkin, paper, cardboard) and a heat supply for a catalist, over a longer period of time. Not the instant AT jobs that are 100% noticeable.
"Your explaination, "who cares .....it's in a PCGS MS66 holder" suggests that whatever is happening in that area shouldn't be a problem because (whoo hoo!) it's in a PCGS MS66 holder. "
I refused to by them because I don't want to own any toned coins that are even questionable. Just apart of my toned coin collecting habit. But yours doesn't seem to have as many "toning spots" on the obverse as the other ones I have seen with the same exact toning colors/progressions. Alot of the other similar ones I have seen have had a lot more toning spots, and with a little bit of the same colors around the reverse rim. Other examples I have seen have been in ngc holders and maybe 1 or 2 in pcgs holders.
PCGS doesn't always get it right, but most the time they do and more than NGC in my opinion, but they can't catch all the good AT jobs.
I haven't collected Washington Quarters in over 30 years, and I didn't collect any minted after WW II. Is the 53 S known for weak strikes? I don't see much in the way of breast feathers, nor wing tip detail.
Sorry Paul, I don't like this coin. The cheek, brow and the area on and above GOD looked like someone worked on them.
Most of what I collect is 19th Century and early 20th century type. As a rule, when it comes to toning on silver coins, I'm okay with some shades of blue (but never neon colored blue), and some progressions of magenta, but I avoid purple like the plague. Purple is an easy hue to artificially color / heat treat a silver coin.
The 46 S looks much better, but I've never seen a 19th Century silver coin tone like that (I don't collect Morgans), and haven't seen any other Washington Quarters like this so I could make a comparison.
I might take some heat for this, but regarding coin series I know how to grade, the number on the slab is just a starting point. Graders, though skilled professionals, are people, and people make mistakes. Imo, most of the mistakes I have seen graders make are coins which are classified as being "market acceptable." I never have and never will buy a coin which is deemed to be "market acceptable," if I don't think the coin measures up for the grade.
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The first coin has questionable toning for sure...not for me. Second coin I saw on the B/S/T....looks amazing but the toning is now suspect becuase of some AT coins that have come onto the market with similar colors and patterns. I think it's a shame as that coin could be 100% legit and 5 years ago I think most members even the toned coin crazies would be going nuts over it.....as is though it is a coin that I would stay away from as Jon mentioned just becuase I believe this look can be just about duplicated by the doctor now
All that matters is that you like it and that you feel good about the color...our opinions in no way should have anything to do with your enjoyment of the coin.
"Regarding coin series I know how to grade, the number on the slab is just a starting point. Graders, though skilled professionals, are people, and people make mistakes. Imo, most of the mistakes I have seen graders make are coins which are classified as being "market acceptable." I never have and never will buy a coin which is deemed to be "market acceptable," if I don't think the coin measures up for the grade. "
<< <i>PCGS should buy back the first coin; second is nice. >>
Sorry. I only had to view the reverse to realize this is an "Alex coin" (nicetoning2007). Those golden browns are the 'tell' along with the obverse blend of colors.
I like the color of the 1953-S but am also wondering what's going on with the cheek. The 46-S doesn't do it for me, I just don't like lime green on coins and that's a matter of preference. I'm sure you and others love it.... that's what makes this big ol' world keep spinning. Nice grades on both!
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<< <i>I refused to by them because I don't want to own any toned coins that are even questionable. Just apart of my toned coin collecting habit. But yours doesn't seem to have as many "toning spots" on the obverse as the other ones I have seen with the same exact toning colors/progressions. Alot of the other similar ones I have seen have had a lot more toning spots, and with a little bit of the same colors around the reverse rim. Other examples I have seen have been in ngc holders and maybe 1 or 2 in pcgs holders.
PCGS doesn't always get it right, but most the time they do and more than NGC in my opinion, but they can't catch all the good AT jobs. >>
I'm with you PC .........I don't want coins in my collection that are questionable either ; I can tell you the 46-S being A.T never even crossed my mind when I bought it !
and the 53-S ,
that coin came from a toning specialist - a dealer with a warning to watch out for A.T coins ..... Also" coins that are too intense in color or not certified in one of the “top tier” certification holders should require a closer
examination " , and then , " The best method for self protection is to know the individual you are purchasing from. "
<< <i>PCGS should buy back the first coin; second is nice. >>
Sorry. I only had to view the reverse to realize this is an "Alex coin" (nicetoning2007). Those golden browns are the 'tell' along with the obverse blend of colors.
PCGS graded it then, and wouldn't touch it today. >>
Pat - thank you for the heads up .........I had no idea
"All that matters is that you like it and that you feel good about the color...our opinions in no way should have anything to do with your enjoyment of the coin "
Krypto ,
I'm never too knowledgeable to keep a closed mind ; if the majority can teach me either or both are suspect , I'm all ears
damn .........you feller's have sure busted my bubble ; here I was proud as a p-chock , showing off my new monster quarters.......
now I'm humbled and grateful to each of you .........
I will try to sell the 46-S back to the seller ; if that fails, I will send it back to PCGS for a "regrade" with the hope's they can cut some of my loss-the coin was very expensive .
The 53-S I will most likely return to the dealer for a refund .
sometimes I think I know an awful lot about N.T vs. A.T , other times I find out there is much still to learn - thanks again guy's
<< <i>The 46-s is 100% legit, very common for the 46-s to have killer toning. 53-S who cares. >>
How do you know it's legit? Pat, Jon and I have expressed concerns and I believe both Jon and I correctly surmised that this coin was the work or alex just like Pat mentioned...I think you would be wise to at least consider that there is in fact a very real chance that this coin could be AT. This coin doctors signature look is almost spot on with the 1946-S and the untoned spots are also routinely seen on his creations. I am not saying don't have an opinion or that your opinion has to match others posted.....I am simply stating that your "100% legit" opinion could probably take some serious hits if we started posting other examples of his work that will be nearly identical to this coin. I hate the fact that some of the doctors have gotten this good and were able to get these coins in top tier holders but that is the reality of the situation. If this coin were sent back to PCGS for a second look and it BB for questionable toning....would that change your opinion of this coin? That's a fair question both ways and I can tell you if it survived a second look still in the holder...my opinion would not change
edit: And don't forget PP, if you paid a lot for it, PCGS won't care, on a regrade that bags they will only reimburse for fair market value. FMV= price of a run of the mill coin in that grade=the offer will be a fraction of what you paid.
Stop paying big money for toned coins. Those days are over! because the docs have ruined it for everyone and PCGS won't take responsibility for their part in it.
"Wars are really ugly! They're dirty and they're cold. I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole." Mary
FWIW I also think the '46-S is AT. However, I stand by my original statement, that it is an attractive coin. I just didn't want to rain on your (PP) parade twice in one post so I posted a true, but less than complete, statement. I guess I should have been more forthcoming, as unless we point out these sort of things people will continue to purchase these items at prices that are not reasonable.
I know just what you mean Sy. I see sooo many AT coins being posted this year soliciting opinions. So many times I will either just not comment or else say something along the lines of "certainly attractive".
That way I can spare the OP's feelings from injury, and not sound so much like Mr. Negative.
"Wars are really ugly! They're dirty and they're cold. I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole." Mary
I think we should all set our feelings aside when it comes to constructively telling one another our coin is A.T - I know it stings but we will all benefit by putting our heads together .
and say , I got the 53-S in hand and under 10X halogen inspection - the coin is really ,really pretty ; worth I believe the $275 I shelled out for it .
the thingies on the cheek are a finger print ......
The 46-S went away and I was gratefully made whole
so I want you fellers to help me out - don't hesitate to let me know the truth .......I can handle it
<< <i>I think we should all set our feelings aside when it comes to constructively telling one another our coin is A.T - I know it stings but we will all benefit by putting our heads together .
and say , I got the 53-S in hand and under 10X halogen inspection - the coin is really ,really pretty ; worth I believe the $275 I shelled out for it .
the thingies on the cheek are a finger print ......
The 46-S went away and I was gratefully made whole
so I want you fellers to help me out - don't hesitate to let me know the truth .......I can handle it >>
If you want to know the "truth"?? I know for a fact a guy "can not" grade a coin from an image. Nor can a guy judge "toning" from an image. Not only are these images the size of a dinner plate and the flaws look much worse than they really are, the toning on most coins are imaged to look like the coin, we hope, but never really look the same in hand, not to mention the luster is very hard to judge from an image. Lets face it, grading coins are "opinions" even from one grading company to another the grading "might" be different, but I find that NGC and PCGS are very close. Just my own opinion of course....
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My laptop recently crashed and haven't gotten the pics of the HD yet, but does anyone have images of the "other washingtons" I was referring to to compare to this '46-s? I remember seeing some sold on ebay, TT.
Here's an image of a rainbow '46-s that pcgs graded that I purchased off TT, I believed it was NT but it looks very similar to the OPs coin....?
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Edited to add: Don't get me wrong, I like the blue toning.
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<< <i>whats going on with the cheek? >>
....who knows ? who cares
<< <i>That looks AT to me. Maybe I would just have to see it in hand.
Edited to add: Don't get me wrong, I like the blue toning. >>
not getting you wrong at all ..........if you want it to be A.T , then be my guest !
<< <i>How 'bout this PCGS MS-66 ........... you feel anything with this one ?
I like this one much more than the other...
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<< <i>How 'bout this PCGS MS-66 ........... you feel anything with this one ?
I feel heat from the torch!
nice ? NICE ? N I C E ? ?
yeah , it was kicked around the BST ...... I do own it
you must be havin' a downer day , else your green with envy ; or else you got a bunch of the finest most colorful, full blown rainbow monsters in this galaxy - if you think this 46-S is only "nice"
nice is the way I kiss my Aunt .....nice is helping an old lady across the street .......... nice is what we are when someone posts a coin that is nothing special , but we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings .........
<< <i>
<< <i>whats going on with the cheek? >>
....who knows ? who cares
Is it damaged or what? Scratches? Scrapes? It will take away the eye appeal and possibly the grade if something objectionable in happening with those white lines by Washington's nose. I would like to think that it's an area that was blocked from toning completely or perhaps the toning there was somehow rubbed away. Your explaination, "who cares
Leo
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<< <i>you must be havin' a downer day , else your green with envy ; or else you got a bunch of the finest most colorful, full blown rainbow monsters in this galaxy - if you think this 46-S is only "nice"
nice is the way I kiss my Aunt .....nice is helping an old lady across the street .......... nice is what we are when someone posts a coin that is nothing special , but we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings ......... >>
The text in bold is closest to reality, in my opinion.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
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...............no doubt you do ; you do indeed
Just my 2c.
I have come to believe that's all that matters
sell them to me !
PCGS doesn't always get it right, but most the time they do and more than NGC in my opinion, but they can't catch all the good AT jobs.
Sorry Paul, I don't like this coin. The cheek, brow and the area on and above GOD looked like someone worked on them.
Most of what I collect is 19th Century and early 20th century type. As a rule, when it comes to toning on silver coins, I'm okay with some shades of blue (but never neon colored blue), and some progressions of magenta, but I avoid purple like the plague. Purple is an easy hue to artificially color / heat treat a silver coin.
The 46 S looks much better, but I've never seen a 19th Century silver coin tone like that (I don't collect Morgans), and haven't seen any other Washington Quarters like this so I could make a comparison.
I might take some heat for this, but regarding coin series I know how to grade, the number on the slab is just a starting point. Graders, though skilled professionals, are people, and people make mistakes. Imo, most of the mistakes I have seen graders make are coins which are classified as being "market acceptable." I never have and never will buy a coin which is deemed to be "market acceptable," if I don't think the coin measures up for the grade.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
All that matters is that you like it and that you feel good about the color...our opinions in no way should have anything to do with your enjoyment of the coin.
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"Regarding coin series I know how to grade, the number on the slab is just a starting point. Graders, though skilled professionals, are people, and people make mistakes. Imo, most of the mistakes I have seen graders make are coins which are classified as being "market acceptable." I never have and never will buy a coin which is deemed to be "market acceptable," if I don't think the coin measures up for the grade. "
<< <i>PCGS should buy back the first coin; second is nice. >>
Sorry. I only had to view the reverse to realize this is an "Alex coin" (nicetoning2007). Those golden browns are the 'tell' along with the obverse blend of colors.
PCGS graded it then, and wouldn't touch it today.
peacockcoins
<< <i> I have seen many other washingtons toned like this
sell them to me ! >>
Are you saying you want to buy more AT Washingtons?
<< <i>I refused to by them because I don't want to own any toned coins that are even questionable. Just apart of my toned coin collecting habit. But yours doesn't seem to have as many "toning spots" on the obverse as the other ones I have seen with the same exact toning colors/progressions. Alot of the other similar ones I have seen have had a lot more toning spots, and with a little bit of the same colors around the reverse rim. Other examples I have seen have been in ngc holders and maybe 1 or 2 in pcgs holders.
PCGS doesn't always get it right, but most the time they do and more than NGC in my opinion, but they can't catch all the good AT jobs. >>
I'm with you PC .........I don't want coins in my collection that are questionable either ; I can tell you the 46-S being A.T never even crossed my mind when I bought it !
and the 53-S ,
that coin came from a toning specialist - a dealer with a warning to watch out for A.T coins ..... Also" coins that are too intense in color or not certified in one of the “top tier” certification holders should require a closer
examination " , and then , " The best method for self protection is to know the individual you are purchasing from. "
<< <i>
<< <i>PCGS should buy back the first coin; second is nice. >>
Sorry. I only had to view the reverse to realize this is an "Alex coin" (nicetoning2007). Those golden browns are the 'tell' along with the obverse blend of colors.
PCGS graded it then, and wouldn't touch it today. >>
Pat - thank you for the heads up .........I had no idea
Krypto ,
I'm never too knowledgeable to keep a closed mind ; if the majority can teach me either or both are suspect , I'm all ears
<< <i>
<< <i> I have seen many other washingtons toned like this
sell them to me ! >>
Are you saying you want to buy more AT Washingtons? >>
no - i was being belligerent in my thinking that no way was the 46-S an A.T coin ............ my bad - sorry for the way it came across
now I'm humbled and grateful to each of you .........
I will try to sell the 46-S back to the seller ; if that fails, I will send it back to PCGS for a "regrade" with the hope's they can cut some of my loss-the coin was very expensive .
The 53-S I will most likely return to the dealer for a refund .
sometimes I think I know an awful lot about N.T vs. A.T , other times I find out there is much still to learn - thanks again guy's
<< <i>The 46-s is 100% legit, very common for the 46-s to have killer toning. 53-S who cares. >>
How do you know it's legit? Pat, Jon and I have expressed concerns and I believe both Jon and I correctly surmised that this coin was the work or alex just like Pat mentioned...I think you would be wise to at least consider that there is in fact a very real chance that this coin could be AT. This coin doctors signature look is almost spot on with the 1946-S and the untoned spots are also routinely seen on his creations. I am not saying don't have an opinion or that your opinion has to match others posted.....I am simply stating that your "100% legit" opinion could probably take some serious hits if we started posting other examples of his work that will be nearly identical to this coin. I hate the fact that some of the doctors have gotten this good and were able to get these coins in top tier holders but that is the reality of the situation. If this coin were sent back to PCGS for a second look and it BB for questionable toning....would that change your opinion of this coin? That's a fair question both ways and I can tell you if it survived a second look still in the holder...my opinion would not change
there is no room whatsoever for doubt as to the authenticity of this 1946-S's toning . Everyone is entitled their opinions
95% sure for me.
edit: And don't forget PP, if you paid a lot for it, PCGS won't care, on a regrade that bags they will only reimburse for fair market value. FMV= price of a run of the mill coin in that grade=the offer will be a fraction of what you paid.
Stop paying big money for toned coins. Those days are over! because the docs have ruined it for everyone and PCGS won't take responsibility for their part in it.
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
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That way I can spare the OP's feelings from injury, and not sound so much like Mr. Negative.
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
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and say , I got the 53-S in hand and under 10X halogen inspection - the coin is really ,really pretty ; worth I believe the $275 I shelled out for it .
the thingies on the cheek are a finger print ......
The 46-S went away and I was gratefully made whole
so I want you fellers to help me out - don't hesitate to let me know the truth .......I can handle it
Much better than someone in denial; a state many have when told their coins are AT.
Hat's off to PawPaul.
<< <i>... they see the coin in hand under excellent conditions but for a minute >>
Not to nit-pick, but isn't it more like 7 seconds?
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
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<< <i>I think we should all set our feelings aside when it comes to constructively telling one another our coin is A.T - I know it stings but we will all benefit by putting our heads together .
and say , I got the 53-S in hand and under 10X halogen inspection - the coin is really ,really pretty ; worth I believe the $275 I shelled out for it .
the thingies on the cheek are a finger print ......
The 46-S went away and I was gratefully made whole
so I want you fellers to help me out - don't hesitate to let me know the truth .......I can handle it
If you want to know the "truth"?? I know for a fact a guy "can not" grade a coin from an image. Nor can a guy judge "toning" from an image. Not only are these images the size of a dinner plate and the flaws look much worse than they really are, the toning on most coins are imaged to look like the coin, we hope, but never really look the same in hand, not to mention the luster is very hard to judge from an image. Lets face it, grading coins are "opinions" even from one grading company to another the grading "might" be different, but I find that NGC and PCGS are very close. Just my own opinion of course....
<< <i>
<< <i>How 'bout this PCGS MS-66 ........... you feel anything with this one ?
I like this one much more than the other...
Me too
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Here's an image of a rainbow '46-s that pcgs graded that I purchased off TT, I believed it was NT but it looks very similar to the OPs coin....?
the closer the product is to the real McCoy - the harder it is to detect
so I guess even a real , naturally toned coin might be suspect because know "doctored" coins resemble them so much .
I think your 46-S dime is real ,natural toning ........but who really knows ?
edited to add: the more I look at your dime -the more striking the similarities are to the 46-S quarter ......