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Has this coin ever been dipped?

ldhairldhair Posts: 7,446 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Could it still look this white if it was never dipped?
How could it have been stored for almost 100 years and still look so white?
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    MrSpudMrSpud Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭
    It might have been dipped, I dunno. However, the Coin Chemistry book said that the best examples of blast white coins that survived from back in the day were ones stored in metal tins. Like the metal in the tins reacted with the atmosphere instead of letting the atmosphere react with the coins.
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    magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    Hi Mr. Spud,

    and more importantly perhaps, with tins vs wood - wood is hygroscopic in nature and tins are not.

    Best,
    Eric
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    SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,244 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dipped or not that coin is beautiful.

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    melvin289melvin289 Posts: 3,019 ✭


    << <i>Dipped or not that coin is beautiful. >>




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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Given the single set of images provided, I would imagine the coin has been dipped. However, I could also be wrong.
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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Had a bath or two.

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    magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭


    << <i>Given the single set of images provided, I would imagine the coin has been dipped. However, I could also be wrong. >>




    Hi Tom,

    I felt that way too, it seems naked. But, the while balance could be off....If it looks in hand as it does here I'd not buy it - it looks dipped from here.

    Best,
    Eric
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    More likely than not
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    mrdqmrdq Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭
    I have a couple hundred coins that i've had for almost 50 years that have NO tarnish at all. If it's not stored around reactive substances there's no reason for it to tarnish. Tarnish isn't a given, it's atmospheric to some extent. I just sold several thousand coins that I've had for almost 40 years stored in plastic coin tubes and not ONE of them had any tarnish on them. White doesn't HAVE TO mean dipped if you ask me.

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    adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    The whole tin box thing makes sense. Put any two metals in electrical contact with one another. One metal will corrode preferentially to the other. That's why they bolt zinc blocks to iron hulled ships. Zinc goes first.

    It'll look white if it's been kept really well. A well kept coin is rather rare.
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    magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    Are the reeds, especially between them, also brilliant?

    Eric
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,801 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have a couple hundred coins that i've had for almost 50 years that have NO tarnish at all. If it's not stored around reactive substances there's no reason for it to tarnish. Tarnish isn't a given, it's atmospheric to some extent. I just sold several thousand coins that I've had for almost 40 years stored in plastic coin tubes and not ONE of them had any tarnish on them. White doesn't HAVE TO mean dipped if you ask me. >>


    I am not sure if I will articulate this well, but it's not just the absence of tarnish but also the unnatural whiteness that leads me to believe the coin has been dipped (with the usual caveats about the possible inaccuracy of the image, etc.).
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    mrdqmrdq Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>I have a couple hundred coins that i've had for almost 50 years that have NO tarnish at all. If it's not stored around reactive substances there's no reason for it to tarnish. Tarnish isn't a given, it's atmospheric to some extent. I just sold several thousand coins that I've had for almost 40 years stored in plastic coin tubes and not ONE of them had any tarnish on them. White doesn't HAVE TO mean dipped if you ask me. >>


    I am not sure if I will articulate this well, but it's not just the absence of tarnish but also the unnatural whiteness that leads me to believe the coin has been dipped (with the usual caveats about the possible inaccuracy of the image, etc.). >>



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    morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a great looking quarter. I would say that it has most likely been dipped a time or two in its' life.
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,733 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It looks dipped to me. That coin is right around the age where uncirculated silver tends to develop at least the faintest of skins even when white. The coin looks to me a bit too white to be untouched.
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    crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    only way it could stay that white would be in a roll, what color is the reeding? I have some old quarter rolls near that age that are more or less untoned but the reeding is black along with the end coins
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    sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    who knows if it has been dipped

    like has been said before if in roll under dry conditions or wrapped with aluminum foil over the roll - could be essentially tarnish free
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    GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    Probably.
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    NewParadigmNewParadigm Posts: 1,322
    Could have.. Hard to make a firm decision with the pics
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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the luster is full and undisturbed, does it matter?

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 33,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i dunno, but it sure is a nice looking coin image some coins never do tone
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    blueifalconblueifalcon Posts: 963 ✭
    I wouldn't kick her out of bedimage She's a doll!
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    phehpheh Posts: 1,588 ✭
    Without a doubt it is almost certain that it is possibly probable.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,097 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's been desired more than it's been dipped, for sure.

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    dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    Yes.
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    ldhairldhair Posts: 7,446 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for all the thoughts folks. I called it dipped but thought it was done right and didn't matter.
    NGC gave it an MS 67 FH. If you have any more thoughts on storage methods that were used, please post them.
    Larry

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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I had to take a guess I feel it may have been just dipped once and just prior to being submitted to NGC for grading.
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    DieClashDieClash Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Thanks for all the thoughts folks. I called it dipped but thought it was done right and didn't matter.
    NGC gave it an MS 67 FH. If you have any more thoughts on storage methods that were used, please post them. >>



    Personally I'd crack it and put it in an Intercept Shield. image

    Dipped or not, it's obviously "Market Acceptable" and I agree with NGC's opinion. Nice coin! image

    P.S. There are some threads on here from authors that are always a 'must-read' for me. And I always look at, if not post to ldhair's OPs.

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    relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,286 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why is it that most people automatically believe a white silver coin 100 years old has been dipped, but a full red Indian Head Cent is rarly questioned if in TPG plastic. Isn't copper as reactive as silver if not more so?
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    TevaTeva Posts: 830 ✭
    I think when its in a metal tin the tin becomes a sacrificial anode I think don't quote me.image
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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dipped- no question in my mind-

    This is for those that like bright white dripping lustre- it is quite attractive

    Storage- try wrapping the slab in foil

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    Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    the right knee, her left, looks, dare i say, worked on?
    the whole coin just looks too nice. could it be puttied?
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    sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    is that one of the phantom 1917 matte proofs?


    unbelievable detail
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    kurtdogkurtdog Posts: 1,456


    << <i>Thread Title: Has this coin ever been dipped? >>

    I've got a better question. On a coin looking like this, why is that even a concern to you? There's nothing on this coin outside of how good it looks that suggests hanky-panky.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,866 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd say that the coin that started this thread has been dipped. The color is off for an original coin of this era, and it has a sort of "etched look" that would appear that a tiny bit of metal has been lost via dipping.

    Here is the 1917 Type 1 quarter from my colleciton. It does not look dipped, but I'm not 100% sure. It really does not matter I like the coin, and it is stable. It's in a green label PCGS holder (MS-65, Full Head) which means if it was touched it's not changed for over a decade.

    At any rate compare the luster to this piece to the one that started this thread. It is different and has more of the original look.

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    RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
    Hmmmm...I thnk it was dipped on June 16, 1963 -- at about 4:30 in the afternoon. It was sunny in Minnesota that day.
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭✭✭
    in my opinion, it's 1000% for sure dipped.
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