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Should P.C.G.S slab the new 1964-D Dollars ?
PawPaul
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It would be a dream come true !
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<< <i>Why not? If you dont want it, dont submit it. >>
I did not like PCGS holdering "genuine" coins. It makes cruising ebay for a pain in the butt. I think PCGS should stick to holdering coins and not fantasy noncoins. It degrades the PCGS brand.
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<< <i>I think it would get 94, altered surfaces except they can't tell the year of the host coin... >>
They could use a special label and could grade it "GEM MATTE PROOF" or similar. A precise grade isn't really that important in this case.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
by a Third Party Grader.
Not all collectors have computers or are on coin forums. Close your eyes and think about how excited a coin collector
would become when seeing this coin for the first time WITHOUT the knowledge that a gifted coin designer had began
making these as a fantasy piece. It would be like one of us finding a 55 Doubled Die or 09 S VDB in change.
After everything calms down about this or even before
It would be of great help to collectors later that are not aware
of the D and the extra Ray on the reverse for identification as a fantasy piece. With no Real reference
coin from the U.S. Mint. I am betting that at least some will end up being sold to unsuspecting uninformed
collectors as a real coin.
If all of them were encapsulated with wording identifying it as a fantasy piece this future problem
may be alleviated. My guess is that not all of the specimens are being purchased with an appreciation
for Daniels work, like those purchased by the members of this board.
But are being purchased by people out in the world with the intent to deceive some poor unsuspecting person with more
money than knowledge.
Just My Peace Dollars Worth
Terry
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Slabbing will reduce the chances of them being sold as originals, in addition there will be a legit market for them if the TPG would slab them. >>
Don't you mean accidentally being sold as originals?
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
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<< <i>Slabbing will reduce the chances of them being sold as originals, in addition there will be a legit market for them if the TPG would slab them. >>
Don't you mean accidentally being sold as originals? >>
As a normal submission and not a special "one-off," I doubt PCGS would start slabbing reproductions, encores, fantasies, or whatever stylish term is used. But IF they did, I think they would get a lot of Ron Landis pieces coming their way.
Edited for early morning grammar errors...
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Do-it-yourself
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<< <i>Slabbing will reduce the chances of them being sold as originals, in addition there will be a legit market for them if the TPG would slab them. >>
Don't you mean accidentally being sold as originals? >>
As a normal submission and not a special "one-off," I doubt PCGS would start slabbing reproductions, encores, fantasies, or whatever stylish term is used. But IF they did, I think they would get a lot of Ron Landis pieces coming their way.
Edited for early morning grammar errors... >>
They have already started with the New Haven Fugios, so it's possible that they could decide to slab these.
<< <i>I wish they would slab all So-Called Dollars! >>
It is interesting that SCDs, HTTs, and CTs end up, for the most part, in ATS slabs. I agree it would be nice if PCGS slabbed these.
<< <i>Do-it-yourself >>
I thought Premier was for PCGS - Premier Coin Grading Service! I'm glad it hasn't come to that yet.
<< <i>Not just no, but hell no! >>
We can say H-E-double hockeysticks now??????
HELL NO!!!!
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Now, what they choose to put on the label description is up to them as it represents their guarantee of authenticity and grade.
They could slab these 64 Peace Dollars and describe them as fantasy pieces on the label.
After all, they do slab Fugio restrikes. While that's not exactly the same, it is very similar.
<< <i>I've always had the opinion that PCGS or any other TPG should slab whatever I want them to slab. After all, they are a third party grading and encapsulation service. I pay them to grade and encapsulate and to authenticate.
Now, what they choose to put on the label description is up to them as it represents their guarantee of authenticity and grade.
They could slab these 64 Peace Dollars and describe them as fantasy pieces on the label.
After all, they do slab Fugio restrikes. While that's not exactly the same, it is very similar. >>
I believe these pieces will establish their own legitimate place in the market and having a top tier TPG authenticate it as a genuine "D.Carr Fantasy" piece, or whatever they want to call it, makes just as much sense as some of the other things I've seen slabbed.
HH
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Hoard the keys.
The 1964 CC (copy copy).
* Graded slab: Collectors start to generate lots of interest, aka New Haven Fugios
* Genuine slab: Find the appropriate code
* Ungraded slab: Customer submits lots of coins, aka Kellogg slugs
The one that seems the most reasonable for now is the Ungraded slab which are used for modern interpretations.
<< <i>ANACS may do these - decision coming soon. If so, they would not be graded, but would be holdered as genuine Peace Dollars, privately over-struck. >>
That sounds like a reasonable way to do it.
<< <i>If I make a copy of the 1964 Peace Dollar myself, should PCGS encapsulate that also? I could mark it this time around as a copy and limit the mintage to 100 and in turn making it a much rarer variety.
The 1964 CC (copy copy). >>
Woo Hoo! I just started collecting 1964-D Peace fantasy dollars. Do you have a production schedule?
<< <i>Slabbing will reduce the chances of them being sold as originals, in addition there will be a legit market for them if the TPG would slab them. >>
well said , well said indeed