Does a toned coin stop toning once it's encapsulated?

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crazyhounddog
crazyhounddog Posts: 14,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I've always wondered about this, I would think that what ever foreign substance that got on the coin in the first place, to make it tone, would continue after it has been encapsulated. Does anyone have the answer to this question? Or does anyone have a coin that has continued to tone after it has been slabbed?......Joe
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  • fivecents
    fivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I know some of the NGC "Battlecreek" toned Morgans kept turning darker in the holders.
  • LoveMyLiberty
    LoveMyLiberty Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭
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    I have several PCGS slabbed coins that have either taken on faint toning,
    or have increased the toning over 6-10 years.
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  • holeinone1972
    holeinone1972 Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭
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    I would add that it seems old white Anacs slabs seem to continue toning coins, along with NGC fatty's.

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  • dizzyfoxx
    dizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
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    << <i>I know some of the NGC "Battlecreek" toned Morgans kept turning darker in the holders. >>



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  • crazyhounddog
    crazyhounddog Posts: 14,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    << <i>I know some of the NGC "Battlecreek" toned Morgans kept turning darker in the holders. >>



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    I feel the same wayimage I have one also in the original NGC holder.......
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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    They certainly can continue to tone... and the slabs are NOT airtight.... Cheers, RickO
  • lsica
    lsica Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭✭
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    << <i>They certainly can continue to tone... and the slabs are NOT airtight.... Cheers, RickO >>



    And even if they were they're not vacuum packed.
    Philately will get you nowhere....
  • crypto79
    crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
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    silver is a reactive metal, It will continue to react for all of time and at best it will just react to whats in the slab internaly and slow down. Todays rainbow are tomorrows deeply toned coins.
  • fivecents
    fivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The old little ANACS, green label PCI and NGC "no line fatties" will tone the crap out of stark white coins. The good news is these slabs tend to tone the coins in beautiful colors.
    I collect ASE's in green label PCI slabs that have wonderful multicolored target toning. Most of these green label PCI have "100% white" printed on the label. So they were 100% white when holdered.
  • crazyhounddog
    crazyhounddog Posts: 14,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    << <i>silver is a reactive metal, It will continue to react for all of time and at best it will just react to whats in the slab internally and slow down. Today's rainbow are tomorrows deeply toned coins. >>




    I've often wondered what tomorrows toned coins will look like? Do ya think they'll get horribly ugly??
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  • customroll
    customroll Posts: 523 ✭
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    I have a PCGS slabbed coin that I purchased over 20 years ago at a Superior auction. The coin was heavily toned (beautiful) then and still looks exactly like the color photo in the auction catalog. No changes whatsoever.
  • Justacommeman
    Justacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    << <i>

    << <i>silver is a reactive metal, It will continue to react for all of time and at best it will just react to whats in the slab internally and slow down. Today's rainbow are tomorrows deeply toned coins. >>




    I've often wondered what tomorrows toned coins will look like? Do ya think they'll get horribly ugly?? >>



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  • crypto79
    crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
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    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>silver is a reactive metal, It will continue to react for all of time and at best it will just react to whats in the slab internally and slow down. Today's rainbow are tomorrows deeply toned coins. >>




    I've often wondered what tomorrows toned coins will look like? Do ya think they'll get horribly ugly?? >>



    No

    MJ >>



    Just like some coins have toned well and others look bad now, the same will happen to todays. That being said all will turn black soon or a later if left alone, sorry ricko
  • barberlover
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    If that was true, pcgs wouldn't have removed the color garauntee from full red copper coins in pcgs slabs.
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  • holeinone1972
    holeinone1972 Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭
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    So what if you do vaccuum seal them? Will that stop the progessive toning?
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  • BECOKA
    BECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
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    << <i>I have a PCGS slabbed coin that I purchased over 20 years ago at a Superior auction. The coin was heavily toned (beautiful) then and still looks exactly like the color photo in the auction catalog. No changes whatsoever. >>



    That's probably because it toned from an album or being in an envelope which is not present in the capsule.
  • lcoopie
    lcoopie Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I thought many toned because they were in an album, envelope, or bag,
    so if you take it away from that......
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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I wish people would do a search and read TomB's dissertation on tarnish... there are several others as well here on the forum. Tarnish is a progressive reaction, the colors are an intermediary state between no tarnish and the eventual black it will become. Cheers, RickO
  • kryptonitecomics
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    << <i>I wish people would do a search and read TomB's dissertation on tarnish... there are several others as well here on the forum. Tarnish is a progressive reaction, the colors are an intermediary state between no tarnish and the eventual black it will become. Cheers, RickO >>




    Not true.....not all coins tone black...if the coin is removed from the environment that caused the toning the the progression will effectively cease or will continue at such a slow pace that over your lifetime you will not notice a difference. The exception are AT coins or coins that have had chemicals applied to the surface and have not had those chemicals effictively neutralized. That's the dangers with artificially toned coins.....they usually do continue to tone until they go black becuase they continue to react to the chemicals on the coins surface.

    I have very serious doubts as to the validity of the statement made about the battle creeks getting darker only becuase I purchased many of these coins when the hoard was first sold off and I have subsequently seen many of the rainbow monsters still in the original holder that look identical today as they did when holdered. I am not saying it's not possible.....I am just saying that I will believe it when I see some sort of proof like before and after photo's. So far to date I have read about 5 reports of this phenomenon and seen zero proof.....but then again here on the forums we don't need proof to make factual statement do we image
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  • PawPaul
    PawPaul Posts: 5,845 ✭
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    properly stored PCGS slabs with orig. toned coins in them will change very little - if at all , in their toned appearance ; even over a period of decades .
  • lcoopie
    lcoopie Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    perhaps they will all turn black over several
    thousand years image
    LCoopie = Les
  • roadrunner
    roadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Dipped coins that are improperly rinsed will continue to show discolorations or toning over time. You see white 19th century coins all the time with all sorts of darkish dip residue spotting.

    Even if perfectly rinsed I'm not sure that some type of toning won't eventually form. I had pure white 1853 NA 25c in PCGS MS66 back in the mid-1990's. It was probably freshly dipped in the late 1980's. By 2004 it had a complete ring of dullish brown peripheral toning on both sides of the coin. Over time it is only going to progress and become less and less attractive.

    roadrunner
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  • ColonelJessup
    ColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That depends on Mother Nature, Father Time, the skills of Lucifer, and the follies of his henchmen, knowing and unknowing.

    In the 70's and 80's the great collector Hon Jimmy Hays of Louisiana kept his copper in a vault in high dry Denver with silica gel for an extra level of protection.
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  • keyman64
    keyman64 Posts: 15,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I wonder if RickO cracks his coins out every few years, uses a little Acetone or MS70 and then sends them in to be re-slabbed. image

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    Greg
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    Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner. :smile:
  • lkeigwin
    lkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    << <i>They certainly can continue to tone... and the slabs are NOT airtight.... Cheers, RickO >>

    Look! RickO said "tone", not "tarnish". image
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  • RWB
    RWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
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    No.
  • PawPaul
    PawPaul Posts: 5,845 ✭
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    well, there you have it .............depending on who owns the coin dictates whether or not if it continues to tone or not !

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