Did I just buy a fake coin?

coin22lover · August 28, 2010 12:00AM

I quickly pulled the trigger on this coin , but the more I look at it, the more it seems to have "that look" to it....I haven't tried to match it up in the Overton book yet, but could this be an electrotype coin or otherwise counterfeit?

savoyspecial · August 28, 2010 12:03AM

take a glance at the seller's other items for sale........

savoyspecial · August 28, 2010 12:06AM

also, recently sold a Chain Cent for $600 Link

i think you have your answer........

always distrust anyone who uses that many exclamation marks

agentjim007 · August 28, 2010 12:07AM

The date on the seated $ looks wierd especially the 5 but nothing else draws my attention.
edited to add: someone got took on that chain cent

coinguy1 · August 28, 2010 12:08AM

I believe you did.

coin22lover · August 28, 2010 12:09AM

<< always distrust anyone who uses that many exclamation marks >>

I know, normally I would but I thought I was snagging a coin at 50% of it's value...I acted on instinct basically. I'd like to hear the rest of the crew weigh in on this one

If the consensus is that this guy is selling fake coins, I hope I can get everyone to report this guy to help my cause.

agentjim007 · August 28, 2010 12:12AM

now that I take a second look at the reverse of the Bust 50c, I don't like the crud under his thumbnail. That would have stopped me right there.

Walkerguy21D · August 28, 2010 12:12AM

And I like his warranty:
"for some reason if you recieve a coin and its not what your expected im sorry about your luck. for coins i do not accept returns or give refunds".
To add - if I had glanced at the coin and that price, in the heat of the moment, I probably would have pulled the trigger too.

lcoopie · August 28, 2010 12:13AM

you can just return it, saying it was not as expected
even if he says no refunds
as long as you paid via paypal

but be sure to get ?delivery confirmation

agentjim007 · August 28, 2010 12:14AM

Don't pay, take the hit.

coin22lover · August 28, 2010 12:18AM

Hmmmm. Yea, I hope you guys will report his other auctions for me. That way I shouldn't have to take a "hit" due to a scumbag ripoff artist.

rodzm · August 28, 2010 12:20AM

More than likely...you've been had.

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=785285

He's been reported numerous times already.

coin22lover · August 28, 2010 12:21AM

Oh my God, look at this, he sold the same coin yesterday link

customroll · August 28, 2010 12:24AM

I would advise you not to pay. There is another thread involving this seller here recently.

I have one question though. Why is it that members here always ask for advise after pulling the trigger on ebay items and not before doing so?

coin22lover · August 28, 2010 12:24AM

<< More than likely...you've been had.

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=785285

He's been reported numerous times already. >>

OK, now with that and the fact that I've looked through the Overton book, there is zero doubt now that he's a crook.
You know, I wonder if, with this knowledge I could work with the Postal inspectors to get him arrested? I suppose he's probably too small a "fish"

coin22lover · August 28, 2010 12:25AM

<< I have one question though. Why is it that members here always ask for advise after pulling the trigger on ebay items and not before doing so? >>

Because it was a newly listed coin that appeared to be listed at half it's value...that does happen from time to time, legitimately

AUandAG · August 28, 2010 12:27AM

Reported for the dollar. Don't know the halves but I'd believe what I've seen
here!

bob

customroll · August 28, 2010 12:28AM

Don't waste your time with the postal inspectors. He'll just claim ignorance. Next time do a little research before buying anything on ebay. If it looks to good to be true, it isn't true. That's the correct ebay motto.

tincup · August 28, 2010 12:29AM

That coin is definitely a hot seller.... wonder how many more times he will sell it?

Even with the low price.... I think the low feedback rating and his 'tough luck' no return policy on coins would have stopped me from pulling the trigger. But... we all have our weak moments. Hope you can get your money back without too much hassle.

SeaEagleCoins · August 28, 2010 12:30AM

<< I would advise you not to pay. There is another thread involving this seller here recently.

I have one question though. Why is it that members here always ask for advise after pulling the trigger on ebay items and not before doing so? >>

One reason... the distinct possibility that IF it is a "good" deal, while all the forumites are piping in with their opinions, another one will swoop in and pull the trigger themselves...

customroll · August 28, 2010 12:34AM

<< 

<< I would advise you not to pay. There is another thread involving this seller here recently.

I have one question though. Why is it that members here always ask for advise after pulling the trigger on ebay items and not before doing so? >>

One reason... the distinct possibility that IF it is a "good" deal, while all the forumites are piping in with their opinions, another one will swoop in and pull the trigger themselves...

>>

I realize your logic, but I was talking about asking in a way that wouldn't lead anyone back to the source, whether it is ebay or any other venue. Just copy the photo and post it along with the question. I'd rather miss a good deal than pay for a bad one, but that's just me.

Baley · August 28, 2010 12:37AM

Fake coin.

crazyhounddog · August 28, 2010 12:46AM

I'll guarantee you did. I wouldn't pay the crook either, the bum!! Miss libertys eye is the dead give away for me....

roadrunner · August 28, 2010 12:48AM

because ive recieved returns before which was not the coins ive sent out. the person who bought the coin did a switcho woo with me and sent me a fake or completely different coin back. so as a basic rule i no longer accept returns or give refunds. ive just had way to much bad luck with refunds. all sales are final.

And he's worried about other people sending him back fake coins.

He calls what appears to be a VF detailed coin a F12 to help reel you in.

Watch out for this ebay seller sh1tterbug8 and his switcho...woo.

roadrunner

jmski52 · August 28, 2010 1:13AM

he types in lower case in some funky old typewriter font so as to appear like a poor sap who doesn't know any better

and he has collected all these coins for many years without knowing much about any of them

hmmmmmm.

PerryHall · August 28, 2010 1:14AM

coin22lover---Did you already pay for it?

coinguy1 · August 28, 2010 1:24AM

Please report his current and recently sold items to Ebay and they will hopefully take action.

braddick · August 28, 2010 1:26AM

Just for fun, check out this seller's buying history (under feedback received as a buyer) and you will find the source of many of his counterfeits he is now selling as genuine.
He was also the topic a couple of weeks ago selling fake coins in fake "ANACS" slabs.

Why eBay continues to allow a seller to offer his wares after they determine he is selling counterfeit items (and yes, eBay did make that ruling as many of his other coins were shut down by eBay) is beyond reasoning to me.

Teva · August 28, 2010 1:28AM

I have seen several coins that are coming out of KY
by low feedback sellers the common thread is the dirty paw that is holding the coin everytime. I think that the seller may be selling
under several account names.

Raybo · August 28, 2010 1:31AM

Now that he's a member maybe he will chime in.

I'm no expert but the wing detail looks all wrong.

PerryHall · August 28, 2010 2:00AM

<< Now that he's a member maybe he will chime in.

>>

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for him to respond.

Rickyroooo · August 28, 2010 2:19AM

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=shtterbug8&completed=1&all=1&rows=200&sort=12&_rdc=1

I guess His buying history should answer Your Question . Rick

customroll · August 28, 2010 2:24AM

I here by officially rescind my apology to the seller for my comments about his manicure in another thread.

jmski52 · August 28, 2010 3:04AM

He has sure taken an avid interest in plastic slab holders lately.

yellowkid · August 28, 2010 3:20AM

Buying a raw coin from someone with only 26 feedback entries????

Moldnut · August 28, 2010 4:09AM

Wow, the power of looking for a quick flip.

coin22lover · August 28, 2010 4:53AM

The scary thing is, 10 out of 39 yes/no votes thought it was real.

customroll · August 28, 2010 4:55AM

<< Oh my God, look at this, he sold the same coin yesterday link >>

FYI he posts here under the handle of Hartmen

coin22lover · August 28, 2010 4:56AM

<< 

<< Oh my God, look at this, he sold the same coin yesterday link >>

FYI he posts here under the handle of Hartmen >>

Oh, really?

customroll · August 28, 2010 4:59AM

Go here and read the thread link

coin22lover · August 28, 2010 5:08AM

<< Go here and read the thread link >>

Yea I just got through reading that...he knows what he is doing. Hartman, why don't you just learn about coins so you can make honest money like everyone else?

atarian · August 28, 2010 5:17AM

if the 1845 was any indication of the quality of the others then yes. the date on the 1845 was wierd and maybe the 1810 date looks a bit narrow unsure 100% but it would be enough of a red flag to probably avoid Especially when they make a blunt comment as " if you recieve a coin and its not what your expected im sorry about your luck." Kinda gives the go screw approach to things. unfriendly = unbidding

coin22lover · August 28, 2010 5:22AM

Wow, he just re-listed it...some nerve!

pursuitofliberty · August 28, 2010 5:55AM

Wow, the power of looking for a quick flip.

I'm glad you said it Derek ...

I certainly was thinking it as a watched the thread unfold earlier.

But the problem is much bigger than that, of course. If all it did was smack the quick-flippers a few times, no great harm IMO.

I'm not in Law Enforcement, or Law of any kind .... but isn't this a federal offense that can be prosecuted in the US?

How many busts would it take to make people start thinking twice about being involved with these fakes?

Hell, we throw pot growers in jail for growing their own stash ... let's get a few resellers of known counterfiets in there too.

EOM

doh · August 28, 2010 6:01AM

<< Wow, he just re-listed it...some nerve! >>

Reported

ClosedLoop · August 28, 2010 9:49AM

This guy really ticks me off! unbelievable, reported.

derryb · August 28, 2010 9:57AM

<< I would advise you not to pay. There is another thread involving this seller here recently.

I have one question though. Why is it that members here always ask for advise after pulling the trigger on ebay items and not before doing so? >>

Because they will get snaked on the purchase.

derryb · August 28, 2010 10:13AM

Seller now has an 1845 dollar listed link that he bought on ebay as a replica for $2.25. Check his history of purchases against his listings and its obvious he is knowingly ripping off buyers.

MrEureka · August 28, 2010 10:21AM

That coin would actually look pretty good if it had the right date. Scary.

TypeSetter · August 28, 2010 10:53AM

three of his "buyers" live fairly close to him-"coin"cidence!!!

Did I just buy a fake coin?

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