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what are these "blotches" on this $1 gold?

From a coin I'm interested in I noticed these 2 areas of what looks like excess metal that has been smoothed down on the rim. Have you guys seen this before?

I edit the picture to only show a section of the coin because I don't want others stealing my coin :-)

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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,627 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would question the authenticity of the the coin

    "Money does not care about speeches on morality. Capital asks whether the rules will remain the same tomorrow. With inflation, people assume price is the problem, and propose regulation—but price is simply the message." - Martin Armstrong

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like some minor rim cudding rather than damage.
    The coin looks OK to me.
    TD
    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    rimjobs. SanFran mint.
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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would question the authenticity of the the coin >>

    I wouldn't.
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    ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Possibly from being squeezed into a bezel? How does the rim look on the opposite side?
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Malleable metal, likely from stacking or other handling. Cheers, RickO
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,812 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hard to tell from that pic but it appears to be a coin struck from a late die state die with minor chipping of the edge of the die. Looks like that coin has good color and some nice original luster.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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    BXBOY143BXBOY143 Posts: 1,110 ✭✭


    << <i>

    I edit the picture to only show a section of the coin because I don't want others stealing my coin :-)

    >>



    wasn't that hard to find image also IMHO not a coin I can see to many on here really chasing after let alone stealing from someone.....just saying image
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd agree with TD that it's cudding of some short. Looks mint made. Rim bumps usually don't give multiple waves like that.

    roadrunner
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    konsolekonsole Posts: 795 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd agree with TD that it's cudding of some short. Looks mint made. Rim bumps usually don't give multiple waves like that.

    roadrunner >>



    cool I was hoping it was mint made, and no there is no other section of the rim both front and back that has a similar thing going on.
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    Yep, ex-jewelry piece
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    mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    I can't believe all the comments about damage on this coin. Looks simply like cuds to me, nothing out of the ordinary.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
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    konsolekonsole Posts: 795 ✭✭✭
    Just received the coin

    Paid $167

    any second guesses on the "blotches"?

    Doesnt appear to exhibit any of the counterfeit traits in Bill Fivaz' book

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    09sVDB09sVDB Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭
    I would agree with the cud theory.
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    ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Seems that many of the type 1 gold dollars are irregular on the dentils....perhaps a die was canted a slight amount? 1851 is the second most common gold dollar, Im not sure of the number of dies used offhand (need to check breen on that) but 20 sets at least. Most collectors never see this since on a graded coin it is withing the gasket.

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    konsolekonsole Posts: 795 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Seems that many of the type 1 gold dollars are irregular on the dentils....perhaps a die was canted a slight amount? 1851 is the second most common gold dollar, Im not sure of the number of dies used offhand (need to check breen on that) but 20 sets at least. Most collectors never see this since on a graded coin it is withing the gasket. >>



    Have you ever seen this on a raw $1 type 1 piece? I noticed how the dentils on the side that isnt cudded are very short while the side that has the cudds the dentils are full and even extended. I don't know the full details of the striking process so maybe you do and could enlighten me.
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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,627 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Curious to see how it grades. Gonna send it in?

    "Money does not care about speeches on morality. Capital asks whether the rules will remain the same tomorrow. With inflation, people assume price is the problem, and propose regulation—but price is simply the message." - Martin Armstrong

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,812 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hard to tell from that pic but it appears to be a coin struck from a late die state die with minor chipping of the edge of the die. Looks like that coin has good color and some nice original luster. >>



    Based on these newer pics, I think my original assessment was correct.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,221 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like some minor rim cudding rather than damage.
    The coin looks OK to me.
    TD >>



    What I said.......
    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.

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