My new Boston NEWPS: TONED 1909-S VDB and 1877 - which ones to keep?
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I wasn't looking to change out my 1909-S vdb, but I just couldn't pass up this beauty. I love my current one with its pretty colorful toning, but this new one has such beautiful color and eye appeal on both sides. I know it has slight remnants of a fingerprint on the reverse, but that doesn't bother me because the look and toning is so beautiful and the fingerprint seems to have toned with the coin. Ok, forgetting what the grades and holders say and just looking at the coins themselves, what are your thoughts?
Here's my NEW 1909-S vdb....
and here's my OLD 1909-S vdb....
Here's my NEW 1909-S vdb....
and here's my OLD 1909-S vdb....
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Charmy,
It was great seeing you again at the Boston ANA - and I did look over your
cases of goodies - I even sent a YN over to buy his first 1909-VDB - he came back
to show it to me - and he was thrilled. Thanks for helping him.
I didn't see your newp for your personal set - VERY nice !! Congratulations.
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<< <i>Charmy,
It was great seeing you again at the Boston ANA - and I did look over your
cases of goodies - I even sent a YN over to buy his first 1909-VDB - he came back
to show it to me - and he was thrilled. Thanks for helping him.
I didn't see your newp for your personal set - VERY nice !! Congratulations.
[That's the last date I need to complete my old Penny Set that I started in
High School... 45 years ago...
It was wonderful seeing you again too, and thank you for sending that young man over. He was so nice and very careful when he chose the 1909 vdb - he seemed to know just what he wanted, which is great to see in a young collector.
And you're not alone in having the svdb be the last coin you need to complete your Lincoln collection! So next time you're at my table, perhaps you'll have to do some browsing of your own!
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I definitely like the newer one better.
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<< <i>Really nice.
I definitely like the newer one better.
Ah, man, I have no choice, other than to agree with Ron.
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<< <i>Really nice.
I definitely like the newer one better.
Ah, man, I have no choice, other than to agree with Ron.
Thanks everyone, and thank you Mark - again! It was great to finally meet you in person in Boston, and I really appreciated your thoughts on my two 1877's as well. I still go back and forth a little, but I agree with you and think I'm going to keep my "old" 1877.
Anyone else care to chime in on my choice of 1877's - again, please try to ignore the holders/sticker!?
Here's my current one (which is also in my signature line)....
and here's the new one I bought in Boston....
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<< <i>I dont see a print, are you referring to the area just above VDB?
I like it!! >>
It's in the middle of the reverse, but more evident underneath UNITED STATES OF AMERICA where you see the vertical yellowish lines.
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<< <i>Really nice.
I definitely like the newer one better.
Ah, man, I have no choice, other than to agree with Ron.
Thanks everyone, and thank you Mark - again! It was great to finally meet you in person in Boston, and I really appreciated your thoughts on my two 1877's as well. I still go back and forth a little, but I agree with you and think I'm going to keep my "old" 1877.
Anyone else care to chime in on my choice of 1877's - again, please try to ignore the holders/sticker!?
Here's my current one (which is also in my signature line)....
and here's the new one I bought in Boston....
Charmy, it was good to be able to visit with you, too. Even if I had to pay Todd to shoot images for me
If you don't KNOW that you much prefer the new 1877, to your current one (and it doesn't sound as if you are even close to that), why not just keep and enjoy yours? It might be different if you were talking about keeping duplicates of two $50 coins.
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<< <i>I dont see a print, are you referring to the area just above VDB?
I like it!! >>
It's in the middle of the reverse, but more evident underneath UNITED STATES OF AMERICA where you see the vertical yellowish lines. >>
I thought that was toning! That would not bother me one bit >>
That's actually a very good example of a print that has become part of the toning. And obviously, not all prints are created equally.
If that fails I would keep both the NEWPS.
I guess if I had to choose only one, though, I'd keep the NGC64rb. Always admired that coin in your sigline.
Nice photos!
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Lovely coins as always.
From the pictures you posted in this thread I like your current 1909S VBD and 1877 better than the two new purchases. If I saw these four coins in hand I might change my mind.
If you can locate and acquire a nice raw toned 1912 P Lincoln and bring it to the November Santa Clara show you will have a buyer
Wow! I like the upgrade, Charmy!
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Lovely coins as always.
From the pictures you posted in this thread I like your current 1909S VBD and 1877 better than the two new purchases. If I saw these four coins in hand I might change my mind.
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I agree, based on the photos posted, I like both of your current examples better than the new purchases.
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The lettering on the obverse of the "new" Indian appears shallower than the lettering on
the "old" one. But that may be an optical illusion due to the toning. I have other coins
with that kind of toning and the lettering on my coins also appears shallower than that
on untoned (or cleaned) examples.
On the other hand, the "new" Indian has more detail in all the feathers except the first,
it doesn't have the mark on the last feather, and it has more detail in the hair over and
in front of the ear. In a 65 (and generally), I'd personally be looking for the sharper strike.
Both have gorgeous color so I don't make any distinction between them on that aspect.
Hope to see you at a show soon! Oh, you'll be at Fremont? Cool!
Mark
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Without seeing your entire collection, or knowing of your interest in having a "matched set," I guess there's no reason you can't hang onto the old as well as the new.
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
On the 1877, I absolutely love the toning on my old one. The strike is very good for an 1877, and the only flaw is the mark on the last feather - there are no spots or problems with this beauty. The obverse toning is so deep and rich, with amazing deep blue magenta toning. And even though the reverse isn't toned, it doesn't bother me as much as it would had the obverse and reverse been swtiched like the svdb. As most would agree, if a coin could only have toning on one side, for me it definitely needs to be on the obverse. The new 1877 has absolutely gorgeous toning, much prettier than even in Todd's wonderful photos, with the reverse being even more colorful. And it's full of blooming luster. There are a couple very tiny spots that bother me a little. I'd much rather have a ding than a spot. There is tiny dark speck above the date and a few very light "toning" specks in front of the nose and above the second feather and on the ear. Also, there is a very faint lighter area between the E and S in STATES that is hard to see in the photo which could be a minor planchet alloy discoloration. Again, the strikes are pretty even with both coins so that's not a factor.
In any event, I'm leaning towards the new svdb, but as Mark suggested, I do submit to the philosophy that if you can't decide between something, staus quo is usually the best way to go, so I'm probably going to keep my old 1877.
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The old guy is still the right guy.
or the first coin pictured in both cases but they're all nice.
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<< <i>Really nice.
I definitely like the newer one better.
Ah, man, I have no choice, other than to agree with Ron.
Mark, that isn't even a choice. You MUST agree with me. No choice on the matter
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Also,the old one seems to be a better strike.
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<< <i> There are a couple very tiny spots that bother me a little. I'd much rather have a ding than a spot. >>
That's what I was thinking when I said above that I prefer your current "old" examples of each coin. Like a couple have mentioned, the "new" 1909-S VDB has a tiny spot right near the tip of the first 9 in the date which draws some attention. Moreover, I just like the color of the "old" example much better, the "new" one is just too splotchy/streaky and I personally find it much less eye appealing. Of course, that's based just on the photos provided. For the 1877, I really like your "old" example and it's hard to have any negative comments about it. However, the first thing I noticed about your "new" 1877 is the bright spot just of the tip of Liberty's nose and also the tiny dark spot just above the date. Sure, that's being pretty picky, but those issues just happen to be in inconvenient places. Finally, like others have mentioned, it's a tough decision and being such a tough choice it's likely much easier to stick with the status quo. Good luck and congrats on having these cool coins.
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For me I like the old '09 and the newer '77 but that's just me.
I also prefer your older indian, the new one has a carbon spot on the obverse and I just like the over all look of the older one better.
You got winners either way!
<< <i>I prefer the 64 lincoln because it seems to have less contact marks and I like the color on it, adds character in a good way to the piece.
I also prefer your older indian, the new one has a carbon spot on the obverse and I just like the over all look of the older one better.
You got winners either way! >>
This caught me by surprise. Why's he talking about a 1964 Lincoln? A great car, but wrong forum. "Duh" on my part.