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So, with my activities as a collector [described below] have I doctored coins?

SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,657 ✭✭✭✭✭
Since I started collecting as a kid (1963 through mid 1970's) and since I got back into the hobby as an adult (1998 forward) I have done the following with coins in my collection:

1. placed coins in Whitman albums for over 40+ years;

2. placed coins in non PVC flips;

3. place coins in paper envelopes;

4. placed coins in capital holders [and other "captial" style holders];

5. cracked open OGP packaging to get to specific coins and then replaced them in the same holders;

6. placed coins in LOC and Dansco albums;

7. placed coins in Wayte Raymond albums;

8. placed coins in SDB's for decades [my childhood collection] and placed coins [already in holders] in cardboard boxes and in plastic storage containers and in metal storage boxes [and stored the storage boxes in dark, dry places that get cold [30's-40's] in the winter and blazing hot [100+] in the summer; and

9. dipped, neutralized, rinsed and dried silver, nickel and clad coins (proof, SMS and circulation strikes) to remove light haze and/or unattractive toning, thereafter placing these "conserved"image coins in various holders (see 1-7 above).

Some of the coins in my collection have developed toning. Most have not. Some of the toning is very beautiful and adds significantly to the eye appeal of the coins. Sometimes the toning is neutral or negative. Sometimes the light haze I removed reappears.

I have not sold any of the coins that have toned and have not had them submitted for grading.

So, with the above in mind, have I doctored coins?


Comments

  • If you are, you're the slowest doctor in the World. image
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You can do whatever you want with your own property.

    You will only get labeled with a judgemental term like "doctor" if you sell, represent, or otherwise communicate about the coins dishonestly, or in ways that violate someone's terms of agreement with you, or their definition of proper ethics.

    Also, according to some, it depends on what your intents were when you did the actions.... If you wanted the attractive toning to form, you're a doctor. If it was an accident, then you're both innocent and fortunate. image

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • Only if there is intent to toneimage
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    You doctored coins when you dipped them. However, most people distinguish that form of doctoring from others, and it generally has far less negative connotations.
  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,726 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I take my coin's blood pressure and temperature regularly.

    I'm definitely a CoinRX
  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    I went through this stage when I was about 10 when I would take copper cleaner from underneath the kitchen sink, and shine up Lincoln cents. Then I would wrap them up in plastic wrap so they would not get "dirty" again. image
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  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,657 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When I was a kid, I took some coins I had pulled from circulation that I wanted in my collection. They were dark and dirty. To "shine them up and make them look purty" I cleaned them with water and baking soda, rubbing them between my fingers. I also took a pencil eraser and erased the dirt off of coins.

    I "intended" to improve the appearance of my coins [though I failed to do so and ruined them while making them purty]. Thus even at a young age I was a coin doctorimage

    As far as dipping coins to remove light haze [and thus improve the appearance of the coin] goes, if "intent to improve the appearance of a coin" is the test to determine if I have doctored a coin, then I am guilty.

    What is my sentence?

    Some dealers I dealt with years ago were very open about their doctoring endeavors. They even showed me their work product and explained some of their methods. Very interesting that they would be so candid with me.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I take my coin's blood pressure and temperature regularly >>



    image
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nobody else used a pencil eraser on them old wheat cents when they were a kid?image
  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,161 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> I went through this stage when I was about 10 when I would take copper cleaner from underneath the kitchen sink, and shine up Lincoln cents. Then I would wrap them up in plastic wrap so they would not get "dirty" again. >>



    Oh jeez, I did the same thing. TarnX or something... nasty stuff.
    Always looking for attractive rim toned Morgan and Peace dollars in PCGS or (older) ANA/ANACS holders!

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    ~Wayne
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Of course.... we have all 'doctored' coins in some manner.... the negative connotation comes when one somehow enhances an otherwise less than desirable coin, then, without disclosure, sells it for profit. It is still not a crime, although some would deem it fraud - though very difficult to prove. Cheers, RickO
  • Speaking of things done as a kid, does anyone remember that stuff you could buy at B&Ms to bring the date out on worn buffalos nickles? I don't know if was some type of acid or not but it did help to read the date.
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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,074 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I also took a pencil eraser and erased the dirt off of coins..

    Strange as it may be, I have also done this when I was a young lad and my fathers head almost exploded....

    I would say "no" you are not a coin Doctor. If you are , then so am I....
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.


  • << <i>Nobody else used a pencil eraser on them old wheat cents when they were a kid?image >>


    image...Where were you..?!?!!....How could you see me do that...?!?!!?....
    ......Larry........image
  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,029 ✭✭✭✭✭
    pencil eraserimage

    I can tell stories about myself and one other I know.

    At the FUN show a few years back I had lunch with a friend and discovered that we both cleaned our mercury dimes with an eraser.

    I LOL I just could not believe what I heard will remember that for a long time..
    Pat Vetter,Mercury Dime registry set,1938 Proof set registry,Pat & BJ Coins:724-325-7211


  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    I have "doctored" worthless (mostly non-US) coins for educational purposes. This includes cleaning, chemicals, heat etc. I think it's important to see some of the processes, and the outcome, so as to understand what a doctored coin looks like. Spotting doctored coins can keep you away from some costly mistakes. Until I did this I had no idea what a coin looked like when it was dipped in bleach, even though I had heard it talked about. Now I know, and can spot it from a mile away.

    I have also done the eraser thingy. Someone once told me that it didn't damage a coin. Say that to my erasered 1943-S Washington!!! (I'm still mad about it. And it's been 15 years or so, I keep it as a reminder not to be stupid or gullible!)
  • LewyLewy Posts: 594
    Great thread, Doc.
  • HoledandCreativeHoledandCreative Posts: 2,838 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nic-a-date
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    Hmmmm.

    Can a person actually be sued for Numismatic MalPractice? image
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  • pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭
    I tried to 'clean' some dirty quarters by putting them in the oven and turning on the "clean" level of temperature. They all came out black and went directly into circulation again. Who knew that they would be 10x face(now) in melt at the time?
    Paul
  • Are you a coin doctor? No.

    Have you doctored coins? Yes.
  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,540 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Heck Kevin, just putting a coin next to your smiling face makes that coin in comparison look real good. image
  • MowgliMowgli Posts: 1,219
    At a B&M in Phoenix I was looking at a red Lincoln cents and it had a mark/smudge in the field so I told the dealer didn't want it. He told me it was not a problem and proceeded to thumbs the mark off and handed me back the coin. This was less disturbing than going to the restroom in a different Phoenix B&M and seeing hot plates and varies beakers of colored liquid with coins cooking in them. I knew then that I would never be able to enhance any of my coins because I do not cook.
    In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    you know,
    there are good doctors
    and bad doctors

    you sound like a good doctor
    LCoopie = Les
  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can remember fifty years ago sitting on the curb and rubbing mercury over the silver coinsimage

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