1949-D PCGS MS66 FBL RAINBOW Franklin

PawPaul · July 20, 2010 8:35AM

I bought this coin off Teletrade for a cool 700$ , then a year or two later , I sold it on Teletrade for 1250$ ...........

I was not comfortable with the tone , as I thought it was questionable ...........

shows what I know - the coin now resides in a PCGS MS66 FBL holder , prolly easily saleable @ over 10 grand ;

djdilliodon · July 20, 2010 8:45AM

Do you have better pics that show the color better? That is a real kick in the bean bag for sure

I send my deepest condolences on that one pawpaul

soty27 · July 20, 2010 9:02AM

<<

I bought this coin off Teletrade for a cool 700$ , then a year or two later , I sold it on Teletrade for 1250$ ...........

I was not comfortable with the tone , as I thought it was questionable ...........

shows what I know - the coin now resides in a PCGS MS66 FBL holder , prolly easily saleable @ over 10 grand ;

>>

Nice job

doh · July 20, 2010 9:03AM

You made some money off it...can't be too sad about that.

PawPaul · July 20, 2010 9:04AM

awwwah, whats a paper loss of 7 or 8 grand ?

any Tom , Dick , or Harry could of bought it off T.T and made the big score.........

it's confirmed now though :

I officially have sold in PCGS MS 65 FBL a 49-D , 50-D , 51-D , 52-D , 53-D , and a 54-D -

only to have them show up later in nice neat , really cool PCGS MS 66 FBL holders ........

oh the pain .........the pain

coinguy1 · July 20, 2010 9:06AM

<< awwwah, whats a paper loss of 7 or 8 grand ?

any Tom , Dick , or Harry could of bought it off T.T and made the big score.........

it's confirmed now though :

I officially have sold in PCGS MS 65 FBL a 49-D , 50-D , 51-D , 52-D , 53-D , and a 54-D -

only to have them show up later in nice neat , really cool PCGS MS 66 FBL holders ........

oh the pain .........the pain

>>

What other under-graded MS65 FBL D-mints might you have available for sale?

robec · July 20, 2010 9:07AM

Have anymore PCGS MS 65 FBL's for sale?? I'm suddenly in the market for one.

soty27 · July 20, 2010 9:07AM

<< awwwah, whats a paper loss of 7 or 8 grand ?

any Tom , Dick , or Harry could of bought it off T.T and made the big score.........

it's confirmed now though :

I officially have sold in PCGS MS 65 FBL a 49-D , 50-D , 51-D , 52-D , 53-D , and a 54-D -

only to have them show up later in nice neat , really cool PCGS MS 66 FBL holders ........

oh the pain .........the pain

>>

You should really try a different series maybe? I feel your pain but sheesh the insanity.

RebelRon · July 20, 2010 9:57AM

<< awwwah, whats a paper loss of 7 or 8 grand ?

any Tom , Dick , or Harry could of bought it off T.T and made the big score.........

it's confirmed now though :

I officially have sold in PCGS MS 65 FBL a 49-D , 50-D , 51-D , 52-D , 53-D , and a 54-D -

only to have them show up later in nice neat , really cool PCGS MS 66 FBL holders ........

oh the pain .........the pain

>>

Better take an assburn!

bushmaster8 · July 20, 2010 11:20AM

Well you were right about the tone being highly suspect...

lcoopie · July 20, 2010 11:35AM

this makes me think you should
trust your first instinct

PawPaul · July 20, 2010 11:36AM

<< 

<< awwwah, whats a paper loss of 7 or 8 grand ?

any Tom , Dick , or Harry could of bought it off T.T and made the big score.........

it's confirmed now though :

I officially have sold in PCGS MS 65 FBL a 49-D , 50-D , 51-D , 52-D , 53-D , and a 54-D -

only to have them show up later in nice neat , really cool PCGS MS 66 FBL holders ........

oh the pain .........the pain

>>

What other under-graded MS65 FBL D-mints might you have available for sale?

>>

Oh that cuts deep ..........., several of the one's that got upgraded I tried myself to do ........ you just never know what can happen on any given day ......

I do know that the majority of the D mints that got the boost were resubmitted by two of the Kings of Franklins ; R. Tomaska and Steve Leber -

they got that magic touch !

PawPaul · July 20, 2010 11:37AM

<< 

<< awwwah, whats a paper loss of 7 or 8 grand ?

any Tom , Dick , or Harry could of bought it off T.T and made the big score.........

it's confirmed now though :

I officially have sold in PCGS MS 65 FBL a 49-D , 50-D , 51-D , 52-D , 53-D , and a 54-D -

only to have them show up later in nice neat , really cool PCGS MS 66 FBL holders ........

oh the pain .........the pain

>>

You should really try a different series maybe? I feel your pain but sheesh the insanity. >>

i tried man , I tried .....I just cant quit 'um

FredF · July 20, 2010 11:40AM

Look on the bright side - you have an excellent eye for FBL Franklins, and you made a profit of over 50% on this coin. Why not try to find other really nice Franklins and try to make money on those as well?

-Fred

golfer72 · July 20, 2010 11:49AM

I bought this coin off Teletrade for a cool 700$ , then a year or two later , I sold it on Teletrade for 1250$ ...........

I was not comfortable with the tone , as I thought it was questionable ...........

shows what I know - the coin now resides in a PCGS MS66 FBL holder , prolly easily saleable @ over 10 grand ;

So people pay like $8000 more for the same coin just because it has a different grade on the label?

PawPaul · July 20, 2010 11:50AM

Fred ,

darn good suggestion ..........I try - hell , I spend many , many hours each week looking high and low . And I did make some money on them -

but take the Monster 52-D I sold in a 65 holder , it was a dream coin and I doubt I will ever see another with the lime green and purple that one had .

Sold it for 900$ 8 or 9 years ago ............ Leber got it in a 66 holder and got a whopping $5000 for it .

I would have prolly bet anybody a thousand bucks that coin would never get a 66 @ PCGS ..........

again - what the hell do I know

SkyMan · July 20, 2010 12:39PM

PP, I've got a nice '48-D in MS65FBL...

SUMORADA · July 20, 2010 1:00PM

It could be worse..

...right.....

....anybody....

...help me out here. ........

bestclser1 · July 20, 2010 2:22PM

Paul,If you sold them knowlingly,and made some money,it still works.

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NewRose · July 20, 2010 5:48PM

Well, it does suck a little, but you got a profit out of it, so you can be happy for that.
It is a nice coin, next time you buy a 65, make sure it isn't a 66 before selling.

bushmaster8 · July 21, 2010 12:19AM

I hear also, PP, that your former 1951-D MS66FBL is now MS66+FBL?

PCcoins · July 21, 2010 1:17AM

That '49-d looks like legit mint set toning to me, although hard to say for sure from those images. But every once in a blue moon good old mother nature graces her presence to some mint set Frankies.

Now with the grading thing, you know one day it's a ms66, the next it's a 65FBL, and then a 66+ no FBL...

PawPaul · July 21, 2010 7:30AM

<< I bought this coin off Teletrade for a cool 700$ , then a year or two later , I sold it on Teletrade for 1250$ ...........

I was not comfortable with the tone , as I thought it was questionable ...........

shows what I know - the coin now resides in a PCGS MS66 FBL holder , prolly easily saleable @ over 10 grand ;

So people pay like $8000 more for the same coin just because it has a different grade on the label?

>>

So people pay like $8000 more for the same coin just because it has a different grade on the label?

Same coin - different holder ; go figure ............

PawPaul · July 21, 2010 7:31AM

<< PP, I've got a nice '48-D in MS65FBL...

>>

no doubt I will soon see it in a 66 holder

PawPaul · July 21, 2010 7:39AM

<< I hear also, PP, that your former 1951-D MS66FBL is now MS66+FBL? >>

yes , yes it is ; now the very first 1951-D MS66 FBL "Plus" ........I couldn't be happier for the new owner !

Of coarse that particular magnificent coin (which I believe has no peers) was earmarked for Ronyahski's "A" set ;

he could have gone from a 51-D that is one of the weakest coins in his set - to one that would be one of the strongest coins in his set ;

but the man who was known for throwing countless thousands of dollars to high rolling Franklin dealers,

cheeped out on me and refused to pony up for the coin . A coin like the 51-D that Plused comes around once every 15 or 20 years :

he will regret not buying it for many a year to come

Justacommeman · July 21, 2010 7:43AM

It's official. You Franklin guys are the most whacked in the hobby

MJ

SkyMan · July 21, 2010 8:23AM

<< It's official. You Franklin guys are the most whacked in the hobby

MJ >>

Was there ever really any doubt?

Actually, truthfully, IMO there are LOT'S of whackjobs that collect coins. Let's face it, anybody that has been in this hobby for a while has met more than their fair share of other collectors that are... how shall I put this?... of uneven temperament.

cheezhed · July 21, 2010 8:26AM

<< So people pay like $8000 more for the same coin just because it has a different grade on the label?

>>

Interesting concept.

PawPaul · July 21, 2010 8:49AM

<< 

<< It's official. You Franklin guys are the most whacked in the hobby

MJ >>

Was there ever really any doubt?

Actually, truthfully, IMO there are LOT'S of whackjobs that collect coins. Let's face it, anybody that has been in this hobby for a while has met more than their fair share of other collectors that are... how shall I put this?... of uneven temperament. >>

But M.J is right - Franklin fellers are an oddball bunch of the strangest order ; they can be as friendly and kind as could be - then turn on you like

a dime and start spittin' brimstone and fire

PawPaul · July 21, 2010 10:17AM

..........And while I'm venting ,

10 years or so ago , I bought the only known MS66 1952-D PCGS Franklin from John Wooten , it was a pop. 1

........of coarse I sold it (doubled my money) , and you know what happened to it ?

yep - It ended up in a PCGS MS 67 holder !!!!!! and currently resides in the PCGS Registry # 1 Franklin set .......

oh the pain .........the pain

fc · July 21, 2010 10:42AM

what can possibly be said except that it sucks unless you are the one making the
bank? then it all makes perfect sense. right? right?

PawPaul · July 21, 2010 11:58AM

Right .......right you are !

PCcoins · July 21, 2010 12:57PM

Hey Pawpaul, I will gladly take any and all pcgs ms65 Franklins that you have with exquisite toning so I can get them into ms66 holders and make a boat load while doing so!

.... Just Joshing ya buddy

Sometimes you win and most the time you lose, that's just life.

RebelRon · July 21, 2010 1:03PM

<< ..........And while I'm venting ,

10 years or so ago , I bought the only known MS66 1952-D PCGS Franklin from John Wooten , it was a pop. 1

........of coarse I sold it (doubled my money) , and you know what happened to it ?

yep - It ended up in a PCGS MS 67 holder !!!!!! and currently resides in the PCGS Registry # 1 Franklin set .......

oh the pain .........the pain

>>

Just where can I find Frankies like that now daze PawPaul?

lkeigwin · July 21, 2010 1:04PM

You did okay, right? And it could have gone the other way.

Sometimes it's fun enjoying someone else's good fortune, don't you think?
Lance.

SUMORADA · July 21, 2010 2:08PM

Hey PawPaul

I have 18 1962-1963 Franklins from (1) submission I made last year...there were 19 total but I drilled a hole in the slab of one of them and screwed it on the wall of the bar I go to to play darts........

.......Anyway all (19) graded PCGS MS64 .........NO Bell Lines........none 0...kaput..

Anyway I'm thinkin that if I send them to you and you sign them.( $5 bucks each)..they will sell big time......to folks thinking of the future...

....in a year or so...64fbl, 65 fbl....

........oh then when they start toning.......the sky is the limit

PawPaul · July 22, 2010 7:18AM

<< 

<< ..........And while I'm venting ,

10 years or so ago , I bought the only known MS66 1952-D PCGS Franklin from John Wooten , it was a pop. 1

........of coarse I sold it (doubled my money) , and you know what happened to it ?

yep - It ended up in a PCGS MS 67 holder !!!!!! and currently resides in the PCGS Registry # 1 Franklin set .......

oh the pain .........the pain

>>

Just where can I find Frankies like that now daze PawPaul? >>

Reb,

I'm quoting facts that have taken place over the last two decades ..........coins like the one's mentioned are very hard to find , and you have to know

when you find/see them just how special they are .

If you build a reputation for paying more then most others -then the coins will often find you !

in the old days I used to comb the coin shows for raw Franklins , those days are gone

pennyannie · July 22, 2010 8:33AM

PP- I need to follow you around for a few days and pick up the crumbs you drop.

Look at the bright side of things. You did not have to pay a lot of taxes on the gains. Just think what you would have owed on that 8k upgrade!!

SkyMan · July 22, 2010 8:46AM

Let's be realistic PP. Coulda', woulda', shoulda' abounds in all fields. I live in Silicon Valley. I can't tell you the number of companies stocks that I have seen split the number of their shares multiple times (so that a person's original cost for a given share would be at most a few cents) so that a person could quite literally make a fortune... only to watch those companies go belly up a few years later. Timing may be everything (well, luck sure helps), but as long as you made a profit and got to enjoy those coins along the way, don't pee and moan too much. After all, given the way Franklins and the economy are performing these days, you stand a chance of buying these coins back in 5 years for less than you sold them for.

PawPaul · July 22, 2010 9:27AM

Amen to that Skyman ; now how much for the 48-D ?

RebelRon · July 22, 2010 10:18AM

<< 

<< 

<< ..........And while I'm venting ,

10 years or so ago , I bought the only known MS66 1952-D PCGS Franklin from John Wooten , it was a pop. 1

........of coarse I sold it (doubled my money) , and you know what happened to it ?

yep - It ended up in a PCGS MS 67 holder !!!!!! and currently resides in the PCGS Registry # 1 Franklin set .......

oh the pain .........the pain

>>

Just where can I find Frankies like that now daze PawPaul? >>

Reb,

I'm quoting facts that have taken place over the last two decades ..........coins like the one's mentioned are very hard to find , and you have to know

when you find/see them just how special they are .

If you build a reputation for paying more then most others -then the coins will often find you !

in the old days I used to comb the coin shows for raw Franklins , those days are gone

>>

Gosh!I guess that I took a shining to Franklin Halves just a little too late.I've been known to spend a little too much on some coins myself.High grade Frankies have become my favorite obsession.Trouble is,their kinda expensive!

SkyMan · July 22, 2010 10:34AM

<< ... now how much for the 48-D ? >>

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you are currently in a dream state...

PawPaul · July 22, 2010 11:16AM

I would be happy to purchase it from you and then get it upgraded , and would be happier still to then sell it back to you for thousands more then

you sold it to me for !

PCcoins · July 22, 2010 11:57AM

<< I would be happy to purchase it from you and then get it upgraded , and would be happier still to then sell it back to you for thousands more then

you sold it to me for ! >>

You guys are nutcases.

CB2597 · July 22, 2010 1:00PM

<< 

<< I would be happy to purchase it from you and then get it upgraded , and would be happier still to then sell it back to you for thousands more then

you sold it to me for ! >>

You guys are nutcases.

>>

WE LOVE FRANKIES!!!

PawPaul · September 5, 2010 12:20PM

i sure enjoyed this thread

Griv · September 5, 2010 12:32PM

<< I bought this coin off Teletrade for a cool 700$ , then a year or two later , I sold it on Teletrade for 1250$ ...........

I was not comfortable with the tone , as I thought it was questionable ...........

shows what I know - the coin now resides in a PCGS MS66 FBL holder , prolly easily saleable @ over 10 grand ;

So people pay like $8000 more for the same coin just because it has a different grade on the label?

>>

Ah, like yeah. Did you just wake up from a coma?

leothelyon · September 5, 2010 1:10PM

Nice strike, grade and toning but lacks the luster to grade 66 IMO. What did you replace it with or...

Leo

PawPaul · September 5, 2010 1:30PM

Leo , thats one of the give aways of a suspicious toned coin ; orig. luster is not something that can be duplicated and many if not most of the

A.T. Franklins I encounter have subdued luster .

I have several PCGS MS65 FBL 49-D's to take it's place .......but no MS66

SkyMan · September 5, 2010 1:48PM

<< Leo , thats one of the give aways of a suspicious toned coin ; orig. luster is not something that can be duplicated and many if not most of the

A.T. Franklins I encounter have subdued luster . >>

Yeah, well, let's not forget that a LOT of the mint set toned '49-D's (and by this I mean the generic toned coins, not the exceptionally pretty ones) have all the luster of gray mud.

1949-D PCGS MS66 FBL RAINBOW Franklin

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