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1835 LM-12 Half Dime (R-8) Just Sold at Stack's
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if my math is correct, price with buyer's premium of fifteen percent is $6,900 .
This is one of just three known examples of the die marriage. This one is a cleaned and hairlined VF. Finest known is a cleaned and hairlined AU. Worst known is about AG.
I'm just got a phone confirmation...it is mine
This is one of just three known examples of the die marriage. This one is a cleaned and hairlined VF. Finest known is a cleaned and hairlined AU. Worst known is about AG.
I'm just got a phone confirmation...it is mine
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-Paul
I estimated it's value at around $10k.
I figured you were selling so many coins on the BST these past 2 weeks to help fund it.
Again, a huge, hearty CONGRATS to you
<< <i>Dude, Richard, you got that for a fantastic bargain of a price - IMO
I estimated it's value at around $10k.
I figured you were selling so many coins on the BST these past 2 weeks to help fund it.
Again, a huge, hearty CONGRATS to you >>
thanks, and you are exactly right.
Lane
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CONGRATS
<< <i>A big congrads for that get!!!!!!!!!!
What did it look like in hand, did you agree witht he grade etc? >>
mostly, what waterzooey said.
It is a cleaned VF+ coin that I will likely net grade for my collection.
It has to be pretty much all down-hill from here!
<< <i>So, how many die marriages (if any) do you have left before reaching all 92 for the series?
It has to be pretty much all down-hill from here! >>
I lack just the 1833 LM-5 (five known examples)
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<< <i>So, how many die marriages (if any) do you have left before reaching all 92 for the series?
It has to be pretty much all down-hill from here! >>
I lack just the 1833 LM-5 (five known examples) >>
Squeeze UtahCoins arm for that one
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<< <i>So, how many die marriages (if any) do you have left before reaching all 92 for the series?
It has to be pretty much all down-hill from here! >>
I lack just the 1833 LM-5 (five known examples) >>
Squeeze UtahCoins arm for that one >>
he knows how to contact me
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<< <i>So, how many die marriages (if any) do you have left before reaching all 92 for the series?
It has to be pretty much all down-hill from here! >>
I lack just the 1833 LM-5 (five known examples) >>
Most excellent! Congrats!
That will be an amazing accomplishment when you finish the series
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102 capped bust half dollars - 100 die marriages
BHNC #198
Best regards from the owner of the 1835 LM-12 G specimen.
L.
<< <i>Congrats. Excellent acquisition. Far less than I thought it would go for. Only one question. Where do we find the 1833 LM-5's to complete our sets?
Best regards from the owner of the 1835 LM-12 G specimen.
L. >>
I like the choice of avatar!
I'm going to keep hunting for the elusive 1833 LM-5. Don't care if it has a hole in it, either!
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<< <i>So, how many die marriages (if any) do you have left before reaching all 92 for the series?
It has to be pretty much all down-hill from here! >>
I lack just the 1833 LM-5 (five known examples) >>
I still can't believe I totally forgot about the auction........
But on the plus side, I do have one of those 1833 LM-5 (3rd finest at VF)....
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
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<< <i>So, how many die marriages (if any) do you have left before reaching all 92 for the series?
It has to be pretty much all down-hill from here! >>
I lack just the 1833 LM-5 (five known examples) >>
I still can't believe I totally forgot about the auction........
But on the plus side, I do have one of those 1833 LM-5 (3rd finest at VF).... >>
you should just give up half dimes to atone for your forgetfulness. I might be able to help you dispose of at least one of your coins
How about a photo when you get that puppy in hand?
Best Regards,
Edgar
<< <i>CONGRATULATIONS BARNDOG!
How about a photo when you get that puppy in hand?
Best Regards,
Edgar >>
I can add some information about the coin. Its weight is approximately 1.37 grams on an uncalibrated scale. The reeding was nearly gone. In fact, full reeds were nearly indecipherable except in a few places. This seems to be in line with the discovery piece (due to the worn out edge collar). I will post some photos in a couple of weeks. For now, these images from Stack's will have to do:
Here's a quick shot of the slab front:
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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<< <i>I'd love to see good images of high grade examples of these obverse and reverse dies from other (more common) die marriages. Does anybody have some good images to share? >>
obverse die:
reverse die:
Back to the coin...
In this thread Edgar Souders ("fever") announced discovery of the 1835 LM-12 die marriage. What was unsaid in his post was all of the work that he and half dime specialists (Brad Karoleff, Steve Crain, and Glenn Peterson) did to verify that the coin was indeed a genuine US Mint product and that the genuine coin was a new die marriage. Mr. Souders wrote extensively about his discovery in the April 2007 issue of the John Reich Journal.
Authentication of the discovery coin and subsequent coins has included examination by numerous experts, measurement of diameters, measurement of weight, and measurement of specific gravity. Comparisons were made to known half dimes that featured the obverse or reverse found on the 1835 LM-12. The biggest concern I had with my coin, and possibly other coin owners and other specialists had with the other two coins, was with the edge. The reeding is so weak on the edge that I was concerned the coin was a sandwich coin. After reading more about edge collars used in 1836 becoming worn to the point of not imparting much reeding at all AND thorough examination of the entire circumference of my coin to ensure there was no trace of a seam, I was pretty sure this was not a sandwich coin. Nonetheless, I sent the coin to PCGS to be doubly (triply?) sure that I had a real US Mint product. I was pleased to see that PCGS agreed with me and the numismatists at Stack's that my coin was genuine (and even more pleased PCGS offered its opinion of grade at VF35). OK, I didn't explain that all too well, but that's a start for others to ask questions if they wish.
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Since the coin is kind of funky looking, I also wondered if it might be bad, but it never occurred to me that it might be a sandwich. If bad, I assumed that the coins were made to circulate, and that the die marriage was of no interest to the maker. So given that the edge is weak, my thoughts are that the coin might have been cast or that it might have been struck from discarded dies. Granted, it's probably real, because the experts have seen the coins in hand and all I've seen is the images. But how would we go about proving that the coins are real?
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>The reeding is so weak on the edge that I was concerned the coin was a sandwich coin.
Since the coin is kind of funky looking, I also wondered if it might be bad, but it never occurred to me that it might be a sandwich. If bad, I assumed that the coins was made to circulate, and that the die marriage was of no interest to the maker. So given that the edge is weak, my thoughts are that the coin might have been cast or that it might have been struck from discarded dies. Granted, it's probably real, because the experts have seen the coins in hand and all I've seen is the images. But how would we go about proving that the coins are real? >>
absolute proof is impossible, isn't it? We can only conclude based upon the significant available evidence.
Most cast coins don't pass the weight and specific gravity tests
So since this coin did pass those tests, how about we go to the next possibility. Unlikely as it seems, could the coin have been struck from discarded or copy dies? My first question: Does the reeding count of the LM-12 match any other 1835-37 half dimes? And if the reeding is too weak to count, do the parts that can be seen at least look about right?
BTW, I'm not trying to bash this coin, and I do believe it's probably "right". I'm just curious to see what we can prove and disprove.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
UtahCoin: Maybe when we are both just one coin away from having all the die marriages and remarriages, we can trade off once per year