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One of my submissions this week...1885 Liberty Proof / Opinions / Grade In 1st post

icsoccericsoccer Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭
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Sorry for bad pics...could not set up camera in the usual place today...wife was baking.
Trust me...it has luster and mirrors. Coin was stored in a sealed 'plastic' 1 x1...no opening. Unsure if there was PVC in the holder.
Purchased from the family who cared for it since it was originally bought. The original collector had a real
eye for collecting coins...he had a great collection. Mostly cents, nickels in MS and Proofs.

16096749 3883 1885 5C US PR64 Received 6/18 grade received today Some disapointment...perhaps some of the comments made by others pointed out the too lofty hopes for a 66. Super turn-a-round on this coin.

Again sorry for the bad pics...I will post grade when I get it. image
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,029 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's one nice coin!

    bob
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>That's one nice coin!

    bob >>

    Bob, what do you base that on? It appears to be subdued and splotchy. And, of course, whatever hairlines it has, probably aren't evident. Based on the images, it looks like a PR63 or thereabouts.
  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    Pr66 from the pics and my good mood image

    Eric
  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    oh yeah...hairlines...thanks Mark... I just ate - not thinking.. image I was picturing some deeply mirrored thing.

    We shall see when the grade is in!
  • speetyspeety Posts: 5,424 ✭
    I'm thinking PF65 assuming there aren't a ton of hairlines on the coins.
    Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!

  • icsoccericsoccer Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭
    Zero hairlines. I would agree there is some tonal differences.
    This is one of the most unmolested collections I have seen or purchased.
    The MS set had a AU something for the lowest grade and many MS...no cleaning!image
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  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    Zero? I'll revert to my 66 image

    Eric
  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hard to tell from the pics, but based on what I see, even if no hairlines, I'm more with Mark, a PR64.
    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Based on the pics, it looked like a candidate for careful 'conservation' - but from the OP's verbal descriptions, I guess it's just fine the way it is.

    What else was in this old time collection?
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  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    PR-69 DCAM
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    I absolutely hate to grade PR coins by images alone.
    I really don't see any hairlines and the more learned
    here seem to feel there are hairlines present.

    I do see a small smattering of minute abrasions but
    they are not serious enough to warrant a PR 63.

    The discoloration is the only thing that bothers me.

    Regardless, its a nice coin.
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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,169 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Based on the photos I doubt it will get more than a 63 due to negative eye-appeal. Personally, it's a coin I wouldn't buy.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    Say,

    those pics are b/w right? (looks for eye glasses...)

    Eric
  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    interesting die crack towards the O in OF on the reverse

    are you positive that it is not a very well struck businessss strike?



    I like it alot and would be happy to own it ( unless it cost me much more than $700 )
  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭


    << <i>interesting die crack towards the O in OF on the reverse

    are you positive that it is not a very well struck business strike? >>



    I dunno - among other things those numerals and type fonts seem to be pretty squared - then again it is in the AM...yawn.. image.

    Eric
  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not sure if those are milk spots, or surface contamination, but otherwise a very kool liberty V nickel. image
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  • icsoccericsoccer Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭
    magikbilly- yes black & white...I could not get a good pic...will try a better one before it goes in.
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  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭


    << <i>magikbilly- yes black & white...I could not get a good pic...will try a better one before it goes in. >>



    Say, what do YOU think it grades? You are the only one seeing it in color and that's half the pic as far as I am concerned. Maybe more.

    Eric image MB
  • icsoccericsoccer Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭
    magikbilly- 66+ I honestly see nothing to keep it lower...
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  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've seen lots of these with mottled, splotchy, dark yellow / copper toning. From the pic, that's how this one appears to me. This reduces its eye appeal, and I can't see a 5 or 6 because of it. Typically, if the surfaces are clean, I've seen them in 4 holders max.
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  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    the reason I asked about the proof vs business strike is because the obverse stars has a couple that are weakly defined

    especially the one closest to the chin



    if it is a proof, it might be limited to 64 max due to strike


    if it is a business strike, it is very nice indeed and worth much more than a proof
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>the reason I asked about the proof vs business strike is because the obverse stars has a couple that are weakly defined

    especially the one closest to the chin



    if it is a proof, it might be limited to 64 max due to strike


    if it is a business strike, it is very nice indeed and worth much more than a proof >>

    Assuming that the coin is a Proof (and it appears to be), the strike is not nearly weak enough to affect the grade negatively.
  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    Hi Mark, icsoccer :-)

    Mark - I agree - good strike. icsoccer - I see you agree - We are alone! image

    Eric
  • icsoccericsoccer Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭
    Grade in 1st post.
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