Krause doesn't stink!
cladking
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Hey, I thought I had it out of my system. 
Did anyone else notice a very unpleasant odor from the new edition?
I'm still trying to resist the "numismatic question" thread over on the liteside.
Edited the title to reflect the latest issue. It still doesn't have a pleasant
odor but it's not nearly so offensive.
And by the way the old 2010 issue which reeked so badly no longer has
that odor (or much at all).
Did anyone else notice a very unpleasant odor from the new edition?
I'm still trying to resist the "numismatic question" thread over on the liteside.
Edited the title to reflect the latest issue. It still doesn't have a pleasant
odor but it's not nearly so offensive.
And by the way the old 2010 issue which reeked so badly no longer has
that odor (or much at all).
tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
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part. Go figure...
<< <i>Speaking of unpleasant, I am still trying to find the "numismatic question" over yonder. Maybe it's a good thing I haven't so far. I don't look good going down in flames... Ever notice how the liteside seems so dark and combative while the darkside is generally friendly and helpful about questions and posts? Maybe the darkside should be considered the lighter side of numismatics! >>
numismatic question.
<< <i>Ever notice how the liteside seems so dark and combative while the darkside is generally friendly and helpful about questions and posts? >>
That's easy-- the darkside has less a-holes to fan the flames.
quite as foul as last year. I believe the odor is even stronger
though.
I'm not even going to bother to start a new thread on price changes
in this edition since there aren't enough to warrant discussion. If
anyone is interested I'll reply to PM's on the topic. Expect brevity.
I guess everyone who uses this as a price reference will simply be
left out of many of the emerging markets.
Good luck with your collections.
And yet like eBay, they're the 800-pound gorilla that no competition can touch, it would seem. Can't live with 'em sometimes, but it's hard to live without 'em, too.
Got any specific beefs? Dig up my old "Krause errata" thread and update it, if you get a chance.
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
Krause Errata
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
(I never entirely got over my fourth grade sense of humor)
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
<< <i>Well try it, so I can bump your elbow and make you squash your nose into it. Hahahaa
(I never entirely got over my fourth grade sense of humor) >>
I guess you rode the short bus. -Preussen
<< <i>I can't say that I've ever sniffed my Krause. -Preussen >>
I have to turn on a fan and sit upwind of it.
It's OK to have in the room but when it's opened the foul comes forth. I guess it's the ink.
<< <i>I guess you rode the short bus. >>
No, but sometimes I wonder if maybe I didn't belong there.
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
There's been a sale of an ultra rare proof, Millenia NGC PF64 at ±$200000 , probably finest in existence. The holy grail of modern Greek coins. Do they even mention the pedigreed auction as they do with the 1979-1980 Spink auctions' sometimes unique items ?
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<< <i>Anybody with a recent 19th century volume? >>
Latest info......
1876A
Mintage: 76
Fine - $6,000.00
VF - $10,000.00
XF - $20,000.00
UNC - $60,000.00
1876A Proof
PF - $120,000.00
<< <i>The holy grail of modern Greek coins >>
You Europeans slay me. 1876 being considered "modern" and all.
Of course, in your neck o' the woods, I reckon it is, and I guess you have to use that term to differentiate them from the ancient ones. 123 years is just a drop in the bucket when you live in a place with what, 3,000 years of recorded history?
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
1876A Proof
PF - $120,000.00
Thanks Doug.
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<< <i>I have several new books that were printed in China and have a different (and rather strong) odor than earlier editions printed elsewhere. Were the newest Krause editions printed there? >>
I had to hold it by the fan to look but it says it was printed in the US.
...mebbe it's a counterfeit.
<< <i>Hey, I thought I had it out of my system.
Did anyone else notice a very unpleasant odor from the new edition?
I'm still trying to resist.... >>
Book sniffing is not a joke, it is a serious problem! You do need to get it out of your system Cladking, but you may need help. The good news is there is help out there. I know this starts as innocent fun, you just sniff a paperback here and there because all of your friends are doing it and you want to fit in. Then, before you know it you are missing work to sniff books and begin to ignore old friends who are not "readers."
It starts with cheap paperbacks, then you move into hardbacks....let me tell you this ONE OF THESE DAYS you are going to wake up in a room full of volumes bound in goatskin leather! Don't think it can't happen to you, it can! Then you end up hanging around bookbinder's shops all day. What kind of life is that?
Get help before you have more memberships in "Book of the Month Club" than you can afford!
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There once was an age that engineers didn't reinvent the wheel everytime
something was designed. Products were made in factories for decades and
products were continually improved as faults and weaknesses came to light.
It was possible to get parts for things for many years.
Now factories are disposable and product is turned out in mountainous amounts
until the factory is disassembled and its components shipped to whoever is will-
ing to work for nothing. The designs of the products can be ingenious but it's a
safe bet there will usually b some basic flaw that makes it virtually worthless.
Parts won't be available as soon as the mountain of junk has been consumed
which only takes a brief time since everyone's garbage is heaped to overflowing
and everything soon is in the landfill.
Even books are printed on acidic paper (this week) which decomposes in a few
years. There are fragments of Egyptian paper that exist from 4000 years ago
but I'd wager there will be no fragments of a 1976 Krause remaining even in
fifty years.
The ink used in this edition was probably invented within the last several months
and long before any of the bugs are worked out of it (smells about like that) they
will come up with a new ink. Maybe the next one will glow in the dark so you won't
need a light to look up the crazy prices. The downside will be the image will be
burned into your retina.
I would sincerely love to do something about my book smelling problem. There's
probably help out there but it will prove only temporary.
something was designed. Products were made in factories for decades and
products were continually improved as faults and weaknesses came to light.
It was possible to get parts for things for many years.>>
I don't know why, but you just caused me to think of a major breakthrough in the history of steam engines. At one point the power and return strokes were controlled by manually opening and closing valves. The lazy, no account, Humphries boy was hired for the job. He tied string on the valves so that the enginge ran itself. He just loafed and watched it. When management saw what he had done, they sent engineers in to replace the string with rods and fired that worthless sluggard. The exact history of that moment is not well documented, but this is suppopsedly how it happened.
edited to add missing "is".
<< <i>
I don't know why, but you just caused me to think of a major breakthrough in the history of steam engines. At one point the power and return strokes were controlled by manually opening and closing valves. The lazy, no account, Humphries boy was hired for the job. He tied string on the valves so that the enginge ran itself. He just loafed and watched it. When management saw what he had done, they sent engineers in to replace the string with rods and fired that worthless sluggard. The exact history of that moment is not well documented, but this suppopsedly how it happened. >>
There's a story in bulk material handling that some sluggard was assigned to the
job of watching a conveyor belt for scrap. He was supposed to stop the belt if
scrap came up. To just tied twine over the conveyor hooked up to the stop switch
and went to sleep.
Henry Ford was said to have treasured his lazy men and always assigned one to
every new job to see how it should be done.
<< <i>The German section of mine smells like sauer-Krause. >>
Speaking of which some of those Bulgarian sostinkis might need an adjustment.
Here come the turkey on china jokes.
Someone could end up buying the Krause factory components Ala piece meal.
<< <i>Instead of being a bunch of Krause babies , someone should take the opportunity their inadequate product creates and come out with a little competition.
Someone could end up buying the Krause factory components Ala piece meal. >>
I can gaurantee they'd sell at least one book.
French coins have been on a tear recently (apparently) and Krause deigned
to show a lot of 20% increases for the older coins. The newer issues are up
about ten fold on average (apparently) but they've adjusted NONE of these
prices.
World coins have great investment upside, with the internet making the world smaller every day. I recently started slabbing my SA 5 shillings coins, and for the most part, prices have looked pretty strong on ebay......Ed
<< <i>I'm a newbie to world coins; I purchased the Krause book to use as a reference. Most "general" books like this usually are not the best guides as to price. With S. Africa and other British Empire coins, I find it's prices on the low side.
World coins have great investment upside, with the internet making the world smaller every day. I recently started slabbing my SA 5 shillings coins, and for the most part, prices have looked pretty strong on ebay..... >>
Imagine how you'd feel if your coins were worth many fold
what the catalog stated. Imagine you were collecting coins
that didn't trade much anyway because interest was low.
You might be starting threads like this as well.
My bad for not checking out your "numismatic question" before I chimed in on this.....as a Franklin half collector, I have the opposite problem of inflated PCGS guide prices, and not getting anywhere near that in the real world!
The massive volume of pricing data must be overwhelming to deal with; all the Krause guides would be an ideal candidate for some future web-based system to login to (for a subscription, of course!) to get the latest info and prices, provided someone there is proactive!
I do believe your collector base will grow; I have become active on Ebay buying certain foreign coins and I am buying from Aus,NZ,GB, etc.. and have been very satisfied with quality & price. World coins are the future, while I have SERIOUS reservations concerning modern US coins....Ed
<< <i>
The massive volume of pricing data must be overwhelming to deal with; all the Krause guides would be an ideal candidate for some future web-based system to login to (for a subscription, of course!) to get the latest info and prices, provided someone there is proactive!
I do believe your collector base will grow; I have become active on Ebay buying certain foreign coins and I am buying from Aus,NZ,GB, etc.. and have been very satisfied with quality & price. World coins are the future, while I have SERIOUS reservations concerning modern US coins. >>
It isn't that much work. If I can compare the prices to previous issues
in a few days despite the fact they move cities and countries around
and reformat it most years now days then they should be able to keep
from publishing three or four year old prices.
One man should easily be able to update three or four pages per day
if he has the input. But there are very few changes year to year and
these seem to not apply to later date coins. They're, apparently more
concerned their readers know an old coin went from $4 to $5 than that
the modern they still list for 15c actually sells for $30. I wouldn't neces-
sarily call this a pattern until this year. With so very very few changes
this year it might still not rise to a true pattern. But I'm no expert on
all these coins and I do know for a fact that many very rare coins list for
under a dollar. Many of these trade for far higher prices everywhere
but in Krause.
Regular issue US moderns have a different dynamic than a lot of the
rare world moderns. In other countries the coins have often been de-
stroyed or "none" were saved intentionally. It doesn't require a mass
market to make something like a gem '62 Indian Rupee look rare. All
it would take is a few dedicated collectors. This doesn't apply to US
moderns. Most of these would require a mass market to have much of
a showing. But even if such a market never materializes there are lots
special issues, high grades, varieties and the like that are very scarce
or rare and will just require a few dedicated collectors. I believe it is in-
evitable that prices of much of this material will continue higher and ev-
en accelerate in the future. If a mass market ever developes (despite
Krause's influence) then prices of things now considered extremely com-
mon can go far far higher.
Well, just Love coins, period.