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  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jeff, regardless of what the assigned grade of (edited for spelling) this coin is, there are many coins graded 66 (and higher) that lack "outstanding eye-appeal".

    Mark, you've seen far more coins than I have. However, the only coins which I have seen in 6 holders which I didn't think were overgraded were Liberty Nickels that had smooth, satin luster, better than average strikes, and not a single contact mark or carbon fleck on them.

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  • halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭
    MS-64.

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  • seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭
    While tempted to post the grade, there are a lot of interesting opinions coming out.

    Some like the color,

    Many say dip it.

    Either way I will post it early in the morning est when I have 2 kids running around the house. For you late night West Coaster figure 4 am
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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My guess is MS65. But I suspect the OP has a surprise in store.
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  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,189 ✭✭✭✭✭
    62 or 3 tops. Negative obverse eye appeal imho.
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    MS62
  • seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭
    This is not a trick post it grades between 63-67 no plus, just interested in opinions and what is behind them
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  • Are we grading the coin or are we guessing the grade PCGS assignes it? If we are grading its a 64 at best.
  • seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Are we grading the coin or are we guessing the grade PCGS assignes it? If we are grading its a 64 at best. >>



    This question is in itself interesting. Basically you would have an opinion of what you would grade the coin and a different one of what pcgs would grade it.

    Seeing it is in a pcgs golder what would you think they graded it.
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  • cucamongacoincucamongacoin Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭
    MS66. Few marks, nice strike and luster. If it weren't for the spotted aspect of the toning on the obverse, I would actually consider it to be appealing. As it is, just a tad south of neutral.
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  • I know I already gave my guess on this post, but something caught my eye. The toning on the reverse is entirely in the recessed areas, the raised areas are white. On the obverse, the same, except for the very dark toning on the sun and lower skirt. Is that a normal progression of a naturally toned coin ? I ask because I have not seen that before. Someone enlighten me please ....
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  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780
    Looking forward to the grade. I don't think this coin is terribly ugly BTW. The toning pattern is what it is - neutral and indicative of no recent bath so not negative to me. I am still saying MS66.

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    Edited to add grade.
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,028 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Au 58 ...I see ticks, rub on the breast.
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Au 58 ...I see ticks, rub on the breast. >>



    bidask, This coin has no rub friction from circulation.

    The shine your seeing is roll/stacking marks commonly seen on larger and heavier denominations from quarters to double eagles.

    Edited to add: If this coin was dipped blast white these ticks as you called them wouldn't be as pronounced.

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  • pakasmompakasmom Posts: 1,920
    Is that a "nick" in the 5th sun ray? And doesn't anyone think she has a full head?

    I don't know diddly, but my first impression was 64FH...
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Is that a "nick" in the 5th sun ray? And doesn't anyone think she has a full head?

    I don't know diddly, but my first impression was 64FH... >>



    pakasmom, Yes there's a minute contact mark on the ray.

    Although well struck this series unlike SLQ's is not designated with having Full Heads.
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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,028 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Au 58 ...I see ticks, rub on the breast. >>



    bidask, This coin has no rub friction from circulation.

    The shine your seeing is roll/stacking marks commonly seen on larger and heavier denominations from quarters to double eagles.

    Edited to add: If this coin was dipped blast white these ticks as you called them wouldn't be as pronounced. >>

    perhaps, but I will stick with au 58
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I know I already gave my guess on this post, but something caught my eye. The toning on the reverse is entirely in the recessed areas, the raised areas are white. On the obverse, the same, except for the very dark toning on the sun and lower skirt. Is that a normal progression of a naturally toned coin ? I ask because I have not seen that before. Someone enlighten me please .... >>



    thatboyaintright, I've been looking at the reverse as that dark line that jets up from the O in Dollar thru the Feathers looks like it may be from Envelope storage.

    I do not believe the toning on this example if from a roll nor an album.
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Au 58 ...I see ticks, rub on the breast. >>



    bidask, This coin has no rub friction from circulation.

    The shine your seeing is roll/stacking marks commonly seen on larger and heavier denominations from quarters to double eagles.

    Edited to add: If this coin was dipped blast white these ticks as you called them wouldn't be as pronounced. >>

    perhaps, but I will stick with au 58 >>

    Stick with AU58 if you wish, but the original poster already said it graded somewhere between MS63 and MS67.
  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    I would have said 64 based on the pic, but I assume the OP started this thread because the actual grade is surprisingly low or high. So I'll say 61.
  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780
    MS61? Re-read the previous posts maybe....

    Best,
    Eric
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I would have said 64 based on the pic, but I assume the OP started this thread because the actual grade is surprisingly low or high. So I'll say 61. >>



    ColonialCoinUnion, The OP did chime in again and state it's between MS63-MS67.
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  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I would have said 64 based on the pic, but I assume the OP started this thread because the actual grade is surprisingly low or high. So I'll say 61. >>



    ColonialCoinUnion, The OP did chime in again and state it's between MS63-MS67. >>



    OK - I'll go surprisingly high and say 66.
  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616
    I would Genuine the coin because it is AT IMHO.

    However, PCGS is a sucker for this type of tone and likely graded it MS66.
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  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780
    Would it really be that surprising? This coin appears pretty darn free from the usual contact marks and has neutral, original skin from the scans. It looks like a 66 to me from here.

    Best,
    Eric

    Edited to add: I don't think it is AT at all. I have seen this sort of reddish toning hang out in similar places on some Commemeratives and other silver as well as Walkers.
  • pakasmompakasmom Posts: 1,920
    "Although well struck this series unlike SLQ's in not designated with having Full Heads." image

    Thanks, Broadstruck! (I really did know that. - Just being a little "blonde" today.) image
  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,406 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hard to grade from a picture, need to hold the coin in hand...sorry
  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>63/64 I would say..... disgusting tarnish... would pay to have that one dipped.... Cheers, RickO >>



    I kinda agree Ricko. image
    The coin has very "crappy" toning if you want to call it that! image

    The carbon spots make it look like a ................NO GRADE!
  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,744 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think the gash on the sun ray is going to keep this coin down as well as chatter on breast, both of which have been mentioned. No way a 66 and I do not think 65 either. I would personally grade 63 with a 64 low end as an optimistic grade.
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  • jsfjsf Posts: 1,889
    Well?

    "I think a 65 would have been VERY generous for this coin, depends on which side of the bed the grader got out on that morning."

    That was my guess yesterday (implied 63/64) and it's my guess again today. We're waiting... image
  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    I haven't read the other posts, so forgive me if I'm repetitive. The surfaces are very clean, even in the enlarged images. The angle of the obv image might obscure rub, but there is none on the reverse, particularly the top of the wings. It is a nice unc coin. Luster will determine the grade. It is really impossible to tell much about luster from images, but based on the images, it appears the luster is somewhat subdued. If it booms in hand, the coin is an easy 6, otherwise it will be holdered 5, IMO.
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,312 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>"Although well struck this series unlike SLQ's in not designated with having Full Heads." image

    Thanks, Broadstruck! (I really did know that. - Just being a little "blonde" today.) image >>



    There are some who would consider the "full thumb".
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I will post it early in the morning est when I have 2 kids running around the house. For you late night West Coaster figure 4 am >>



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  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    I'm still saying it looks like a 65. Highly mark free, but some distracting black spots on the obverse keep me from saying 66.
    Somewhat nice coin!
  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    65+
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  • seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭
    PCGS graded it a MS64,

    I thought it was a 66 but my Walker grading need improvement.
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
    anyone feel confident that it can score higher than a MS64?


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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    MS 63
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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,711 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PCGS graded it a MS64, >>


    Good to see - that's what my estimate was (see previous post), but thought PCGS might give it up a bump up to 65 for the originality.
    So is that a pin scratch on rev, across the top of O, through the foot, and up into the wing? If so, like I said previously, it may be what kept it out of a higher grade. Of course, there may be other subtle issues I don't see from the photo.
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>PCGS graded it a MS64, >>


    Good to see - that's what my estimate was (see previous post), but thought PCGS might give it up a bump up to 65 for the originality.
    So is that a pin scratch on rev, across the top of O, through the foot, and up into the wing? If so, like I said previously, it may be what kept it out of a higher grade. Of course, there may be other subtle issues I don't see from the photo. >>

    My assessment was very similar. But I guessed MS66, due to the thread title, which indicated that the OP was surprised. I just guessed the wrong direction in which he was surprised.image
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Spots! image

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    Edited; Did I mention the spots?

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  • SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭
    I tend to wonder about the scratch on the wing, it sure looks like it could be die related.
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coins with spots! Got to love them and hate them at the same time. Once was my top coin for the date until
    the spots developed. The culprit; windex! At least, that's what I've been told. Also was close to 6 steps.
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Coins with spots! Got to love them and hate them at the same time. Once was my top coin for the date until
    the spots developed. The culprit; windex! At least, that's what I've been told. Also was close to 6 steps. >>



    Windex used to clean the slab and the spots developed afterward image
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  • I was thinking 64/65.
  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    I got here late and could not offer my expertise lol

    The obv has a wonderful strike, but I do believe the weaker reverse strike held this Denver coin back from the next grade range.
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  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would have said 64 based on the pic, but I assume the OP started this thread because the actual grade is surprisingly low or high. So I'll say 61. >>



    This thread certainly lacked drama.
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    100!
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  • rooksmithrooksmith Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭✭
    If "So you think you can grade coins" becomes a prime time reality show, we could be celebritites!
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