Jeff, regardless of what the assigned grade of (edited for spelling) this coin is, there are many coins graded 66 (and higher) that lack "outstanding eye-appeal".
Mark, you've seen far more coins than I have. However, the only coins which I have seen in 6 holders which I didn't think were overgraded were Liberty Nickels that had smooth, satin luster, better than average strikes, and not a single contact mark or carbon fleck on them.
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<< <i>Are we grading the coin or are we guessing the grade PCGS assignes it? If we are grading its a 64 at best. >>
This question is in itself interesting. Basically you would have an opinion of what you would grade the coin and a different one of what pcgs would grade it.
Seeing it is in a pcgs golder what would you think they graded it.
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MS66. Few marks, nice strike and luster. If it weren't for the spotted aspect of the toning on the obverse, I would actually consider it to be appealing. As it is, just a tad south of neutral.
I know I already gave my guess on this post, but something caught my eye. The toning on the reverse is entirely in the recessed areas, the raised areas are white. On the obverse, the same, except for the very dark toning on the sun and lower skirt. Is that a normal progression of a naturally toned coin ? I ask because I have not seen that before. Someone enlighten me please ....
Looking forward to the grade. I don't think this coin is terribly ugly BTW. The toning pattern is what it is - neutral and indicative of no recent bath so not negative to me. I am still saying MS66.
<< <i>I know I already gave my guess on this post, but something caught my eye. The toning on the reverse is entirely in the recessed areas, the raised areas are white. On the obverse, the same, except for the very dark toning on the sun and lower skirt. Is that a normal progression of a naturally toned coin ? I ask because I have not seen that before. Someone enlighten me please .... >>
thatboyaintright, I've been looking at the reverse as that dark line that jets up from the O in Dollar thru the Feathers looks like it may be from Envelope storage.
I do not believe the toning on this example if from a roll nor an album.
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<< <i>I would have said 64 based on the pic, but I assume the OP started this thread because the actual grade is surprisingly low or high. So I'll say 61. >>
ColonialCoinUnion, The OP did chime in again and state it's between MS63-MS67.
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<< <i>I would have said 64 based on the pic, but I assume the OP started this thread because the actual grade is surprisingly low or high. So I'll say 61. >>
ColonialCoinUnion, The OP did chime in again and state it's between MS63-MS67. >>
Would it really be that surprising? This coin appears pretty darn free from the usual contact marks and has neutral, original skin from the scans. It looks like a 66 to me from here.
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Edited to add: I don't think it is AT at all. I have seen this sort of reddish toning hang out in similar places on some Commemeratives and other silver as well as Walkers.
I think the gash on the sun ray is going to keep this coin down as well as chatter on breast, both of which have been mentioned. No way a 66 and I do not think 65 either. I would personally grade 63 with a 64 low end as an optimistic grade.
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I haven't read the other posts, so forgive me if I'm repetitive. The surfaces are very clean, even in the enlarged images. The angle of the obv image might obscure rub, but there is none on the reverse, particularly the top of the wings. It is a nice unc coin. Luster will determine the grade. It is really impossible to tell much about luster from images, but based on the images, it appears the luster is somewhat subdued. If it booms in hand, the coin is an easy 6, otherwise it will be holdered 5, IMO.
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Good to see - that's what my estimate was (see previous post), but thought PCGS might give it up a bump up to 65 for the originality. So is that a pin scratch on rev, across the top of O, through the foot, and up into the wing? If so, like I said previously, it may be what kept it out of a higher grade. Of course, there may be other subtle issues I don't see from the photo.
Good to see - that's what my estimate was (see previous post), but thought PCGS might give it up a bump up to 65 for the originality. So is that a pin scratch on rev, across the top of O, through the foot, and up into the wing? If so, like I said previously, it may be what kept it out of a higher grade. Of course, there may be other subtle issues I don't see from the photo. >>
My assessment was very similar. But I guessed MS66, due to the thread title, which indicated that the OP was surprised. I just guessed the wrong direction in which he was surprised.
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<< <i>Coins with spots! Got to love them and hate them at the same time. Once was my top coin for the date until the spots developed. The culprit; windex! At least, that's what I've been told. Also was close to 6 steps. >>
Windex used to clean the slab and the spots developed afterward
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<< <i>I would have said 64 based on the pic, but I assume the OP started this thread because the actual grade is surprisingly low or high. So I'll say 61. >>
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Mark, you've seen far more coins than I have. However, the only coins which I have seen in 6 holders which I didn't think were overgraded were Liberty Nickels that had smooth, satin luster, better than average strikes, and not a single contact mark or carbon fleck on them.
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Some like the color,
Many say dip it.
Either way I will post it early in the morning est when I have 2 kids running around the house. For you late night West Coaster figure 4 am
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<< <i>Are we grading the coin or are we guessing the grade PCGS assignes it? If we are grading its a 64 at best. >>
This question is in itself interesting. Basically you would have an opinion of what you would grade the coin and a different one of what pcgs would grade it.
Seeing it is in a pcgs golder what would you think they graded it.
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Best,
Eric
Edited to add grade.
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<< <i>Au 58 ...I see ticks, rub on the breast. >>
bidask, This coin has no rub friction from circulation.
The shine your seeing is roll/stacking marks commonly seen on larger and heavier denominations from quarters to double eagles.
Edited to add: If this coin was dipped blast white these ticks as you called them wouldn't be as pronounced.
I don't know diddly, but my first impression was 64FH...
<< <i>Is that a "nick" in the 5th sun ray? And doesn't anyone think she has a full head?
I don't know diddly, but my first impression was 64FH... >>
pakasmom, Yes there's a minute contact mark on the ray.
Although well struck this series unlike SLQ's is not designated with having Full Heads.
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<< <i>Au 58 ...I see ticks, rub on the breast. >>
bidask, This coin has no rub friction from circulation.
The shine your seeing is roll/stacking marks commonly seen on larger and heavier denominations from quarters to double eagles.
Edited to add: If this coin was dipped blast white these ticks as you called them wouldn't be as pronounced. >>
perhaps, but I will stick with au 58
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<< <i>I know I already gave my guess on this post, but something caught my eye. The toning on the reverse is entirely in the recessed areas, the raised areas are white. On the obverse, the same, except for the very dark toning on the sun and lower skirt. Is that a normal progression of a naturally toned coin ? I ask because I have not seen that before. Someone enlighten me please .... >>
thatboyaintright, I've been looking at the reverse as that dark line that jets up from the O in Dollar thru the Feathers looks like it may be from Envelope storage.
I do not believe the toning on this example if from a roll nor an album.
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<< <i>Au 58 ...I see ticks, rub on the breast. >>
bidask, This coin has no rub friction from circulation.
The shine your seeing is roll/stacking marks commonly seen on larger and heavier denominations from quarters to double eagles.
Edited to add: If this coin was dipped blast white these ticks as you called them wouldn't be as pronounced. >>
perhaps, but I will stick with au 58 >>
Stick with AU58 if you wish, but the original poster already said it graded somewhere between MS63 and MS67.
Best,
Eric
<< <i>I would have said 64 based on the pic, but I assume the OP started this thread because the actual grade is surprisingly low or high. So I'll say 61. >>
ColonialCoinUnion, The OP did chime in again and state it's between MS63-MS67.
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<< <i>I would have said 64 based on the pic, but I assume the OP started this thread because the actual grade is surprisingly low or high. So I'll say 61. >>
ColonialCoinUnion, The OP did chime in again and state it's between MS63-MS67. >>
OK - I'll go surprisingly high and say 66.
However, PCGS is a sucker for this type of tone and likely graded it MS66.
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Edited to add: I don't think it is AT at all. I have seen this sort of reddish toning hang out in similar places on some Commemeratives and other silver as well as Walkers.
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<< <i>63/64 I would say..... disgusting tarnish... would pay to have that one dipped.... Cheers, RickO >>
I kinda agree Ricko.
The coin has very "crappy" toning if you want to call it that!
The carbon spots make it look like a ................NO GRADE!
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That was my guess yesterday (implied 63/64) and it's my guess again today. We're waiting...
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<< <i>"Although well struck this series unlike SLQ's in not designated with having Full Heads."
Thanks, Broadstruck! (I really did know that. - Just being a little "blonde" today.)
There are some who would consider the "full thumb".
<< <i>I will post it early in the morning est when I have 2 kids running around the house. For you late night West Coaster figure 4 am >>
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Somewhat nice coin!
I thought it was a 66 but my Walker grading need improvement.
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<< <i>PCGS graded it a MS64, >>
Good to see - that's what my estimate was (see previous post), but thought PCGS might give it up a bump up to 65 for the originality.
So is that a pin scratch on rev, across the top of O, through the foot, and up into the wing? If so, like I said previously, it may be what kept it out of a higher grade. Of course, there may be other subtle issues I don't see from the photo.
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<< <i>PCGS graded it a MS64, >>
Good to see - that's what my estimate was (see previous post), but thought PCGS might give it up a bump up to 65 for the originality.
So is that a pin scratch on rev, across the top of O, through the foot, and up into the wing? If so, like I said previously, it may be what kept it out of a higher grade. Of course, there may be other subtle issues I don't see from the photo. >>
My assessment was very similar. But I guessed MS66, due to the thread title, which indicated that the OP was surprised. I just guessed the wrong direction in which he was surprised.
Leo
Edited; Did I mention the spots?
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the spots developed. The culprit; windex! At least, that's what I've been told. Also was close to 6 steps.
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<< <i>Coins with spots! Got to love them and hate them at the same time. Once was my top coin for the date until
the spots developed. The culprit; windex! At least, that's what I've been told. Also was close to 6 steps. >>
Windex used to clean the slab and the spots developed afterward
The obv has a wonderful strike, but I do believe the weaker reverse strike held this Denver coin back from the next grade range.
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<< <i>I would have said 64 based on the pic, but I assume the OP started this thread because the actual grade is surprisingly low or high. So I'll say 61. >>
This thread certainly lacked drama.