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Weirdest Ebay request I have EVER had in 8+ years....advice please?

I had someone pull the trigger on a BIN auction I had. It was a 1954 Topps Ted Williams SGC 3 that sold for $100. Just today, the buyer Emails me and asks me if I would take $85 for the card (after he already hit the BIN button 3 days ago). Says he contacted Beckett and "book" value on the 3 is only $90......what would you do if you were me??

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  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,261 ✭✭✭✭
    $100 seems cheap. Tell the buyer $100 or nothing.
  • burke23burke23 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭
    Nothing...pull a Kennedy and have him make the next move...which is to pay. If he doesn't pay, follow the normal steps. No one source determines 'market' value as you know. Oh - and then block his arse from bidding in the future.
    Looking for rare Randy Moss rookies and autos, as well as '97 PMG Red Football cards for my set.
  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,448 ✭✭✭✭✭
    U mean topps right
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
    Yes Handyman....I sometimes type too fast when I peeved....
  • jimq112jimq112 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭
    I was thinking I missed out but I looked and it was a topps, not a bowman.

    Just send him a cancellation request and relist it. You get your fees back, somebody else will buy it, and you block him from further bidding.

    Otherwise you might get a chargeback or a negative.

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  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
    What Jim said x 2
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
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    That's the card.....VCP is $97 and some change.......to make matters worse, he also pulled the trigger on a 1952 Bowman Bob Feller and hasn't paid for that either (although he hasn't asked me for a discount on the Feller).....
  • sportscardtheorysportscardtheory Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭
    Tell him it's what he already decided to pay or you can simply mutually agree to cancel the transaction and move on.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
    Would you even try to get the final value fees back? Would you cancel the transaction on BOTH cards or just the Ted Williams one?
  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
    I'm happy to negotiate on prices, but when folks start arguing that "Beckett price" refutes recent past sale prices, I usually suggest that they go buy the card from Beckett.
    My Giants collection want list

    WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
  • sportscardtheorysportscardtheory Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Would you even try to get the final value fees back? Would you cancel the transaction on BOTH cards or just the Ted Williams one? >>



    I would ask him nicely if he still wants the other card. I don't deal with these people. I just politely tell them no thanks and mutually agree to cancel.
  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231
    Why in the hell did you have a BIN set up without instant payment activated??? I bet you dont do that again.image


    Dont negotiate with terrorists. Politely tell him you are willing to cancel the transaction. 3 times out of 4 he's gonna just pay the $100.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
    I don't have to have instant payments. Sometimes buyers don't want to miss deals, but have to wait until payday. Some people live paycheck to paycheck. I understand that. I can be very accomodating with delayed payments. I just don't like coming down in price when I feel as though I am already giving something away anyway....
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭

    "...Nothing...pull a Kennedy and have him make the next move...which is to pay...."

    ////////////////////////////////////////

    That works, sometimes.

    .......


    First step: BLOCK BIDDER LIST.............. NOW. cripes.



    If he does not pay, send him the request to cancel.

    If he refuses to cancel, he can still NEG you.

    .......


    NEVER list a BIN w/o using the Immediate Payment Required feature.

    It's been several years since I have had to talk to any of the kind of
    FILTH you are having to deal with. If not for IPR, I would have left
    EBAY long ago.

    ........

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.


  • << <i>image

    That's the card.....VCP is $97 and some change.......to make matters worse, he also pulled the trigger on a 1952 Bowman Bob Feller and hasn't paid for that either (although he hasn't asked me for a discount on the Feller)..... >>



    Sad deal! Reference him to Vcp past sales, Tell him average price of Very Good condition card is $97.50...
    If buyer cannot realize this tell him that you are cancelling. Geez another beckett dude image The bgci is pretty accurate though imo .
    But in this case the seller clicked the bin and now is intitled to pay the full price.

    another option....Gift payment maybe??

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    1980 Kelloggs baseball Psa 9's - Psa 10's
    1988-1989 Fleer Basketball psa 9's
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  • GarabaldiGarabaldi Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭
    That is a BS move and he is the type of bidder that sours ebay. I never have a BIN without a Instant Payment, it just avoids these types of problems. When you hit the BIN button or Place a bid, you should already have decided if you are good with that price.
  • VikingDudeVikingDude Posts: 1,440 ✭✭✭


    << <i>That is a BS move and he is the type of bidder that sours ebay. I never have a BIN without a Instant Payment, it just avoids these types of problems. When you hit the BIN button or Place a bid, you should already have decided if you are good with that price. >>



    Unless it is a BITDFN (Buy It Three Days From Now) image
  • TonyCTonyC Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭
    I agree that the best move is to just initiate a mutual cancellation of the transaction. I don't think I'd even try to the negotiate with the guy, because it is just more likely to end up ticking him off and giving you a negative.
    Collecting Tony Conigliaro
  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
    If a person doesn't have the money, they shouldn't be buying cards on eBay, which is why I use the instant payment option...if you don't use this option, they will come back and either not pay, make excuses, or try to get the original price lowered.

    You should absolutely try to cancel the request as once the transaction is cancelled he will be unable to leave you feedback.

    Also, if you're willing to work things out and be understandable with allowing buyers to purchase your items without instant pay, then why not work with the buyer since he purchased more than one item from you?

    Hope it all works out,

    Patrick
  • Bizarre...

    I've had buyers who bought multiple cards at once that inquired about a discount, but only BEFORE they actually purchased the cards. I'm sure if he had emailed you prior to hitting the BIN and said 'hey I'm interested in a few cards--can you work with me on the prices of card X and card Y', This whole unfortunate situation could have been avoided.

    I agree with the consensus--cancel, block, relist.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,848 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Like you said, this is a bizarre and very unusual request, so I wouldn't change your policy of requiring instant payments with the BIN option...there are buyers out there like you said that want to purchase a card and a send payment a couple days later and I see nothing wrong with that. Ask him if he wants to cancel the transaction. If so, he will have to agree on his end when ebay sends the notice to get yr FVF back.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Tell him he either pays what he agreed to or you will send Perry over there to break his face.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • yes
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    Is this the guy????? LOL

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    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • CubsFan41CubsFan41 Posts: 513 ✭✭
    Give up his id so we can block him.
    Looking for Cello packs with Bill Buckner on top
  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231


    << <i>You cannot retract a purchase made through a Buy It Now listing. Once you confirm your purchase, you are obligated to pay the seller.

    Let them know you contacted Ebay's Trust & Safety department about their question and that's the reply they sent you,,,,, they also said the only way to avoid paying the agreed on price was a "Mutual Agreement to Cancel" the transaction and that its seller initiated ,,,,,,, you will start the process if they'd like ,,,,,

    Say nothing more,,,,,,,, please post the reply from the buyer here and I'll advise further ,,,,,

    Jeff >>





    And then duck as the neg flies your way.image
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "...And then duck as the neg flies your way...."

    //////////////////////////////////////////////

    It is likely so.

    In my experience, using passive agressive techniques on EBAY
    crooks/maroooons is a wasted/risky effort.

    The ONLY thing that works for me is to drop them like hot coals
    at the FIRST sign of ANY problem. Communicating with them
    outside of the dispute-panels only feeds into their manipulative
    games AND prolongs the kind of drama that salves their lonely
    lives.

    Trying to be cordial with sidewinders - or to rehab a bad EBAYer -
    is a very dangerous game. You can never get either one to do
    what you want them to do.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • nightcrawlernightcrawler Posts: 5,110 ✭✭


    << <i>And then duck as the neg flies your way.image >>





    gecko, I want to talk to your mother.

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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
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  • UlyssesExtravaganzaUlyssesExtravaganza Posts: 835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If there was no Best Offer option, I would remind him that it is eBay policy not to send offers to those who do not request them and also of that and the fact that he has already completed the contractual part of the purchase of the card and agreed to your asking price. I would probably try to let the buyer know what a jerk they were without going too aggressively and risking a pissed off unjustified negative feedback. In no way should you give in to a person like this or let them waste too much of your time. A scourge on the hobby.
  • "If a person doesn't have the money, they shouldn't be buying cards on eBay, which is why I use the instant payment option...if you don't use this option, they will come back and either not pay, make excuses, or try to get the original price lowered."

    i think thats crap, sometimes dont have the cash on hand and if they pay within a week, whats the problem? if your that desperate for cash, maybe you should take a 2nd job. I've never not been paid, sometimes it takes a week, sometimes two weeks.


    I like this answer: "I don't have to have instant payments. Sometimes buyers don't want to miss deals, but have to wait until payday. Some people live paycheck to paycheck. I understand that. I can be very accomodating with delayed payments."

    In response to the original problem, don't negotiate, cancel the transaction and block the bidder.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
    Bidder responded. Accused me of talking trash (I don't believe anywhere in this thread did I talk trash)........I really don't like what Ebay has become.
  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"If a person doesn't have the money, they shouldn't be buying cards on eBay, which is why I use the instant payment option...if you don't use this option, they will come back and either not pay, make excuses, or try to get the original price lowered."

    i think thats crap, sometimes dont have the cash on hand and if they pay within a week, whats the problem? if your that desperate for cash, maybe you should take a 2nd job. I've never not been paid, sometimes it takes a week, sometimes two weeks.


    I like this answer: "I don't have to have instant payments. Sometimes buyers don't want to miss deals, but have to wait until payday. Some people live paycheck to paycheck. I understand that. I can be very accomodating with delayed payments."

    In response to the original problem, don't negotiate, cancel the transaction and block the bidder. >>



    I don't want to sell anything to anybody who doesn't have the money on hand to pay me.


  • << <i>Bidder responded. Accused me of talking trash (I don't believe anywhere in this thread did I talk trash)........I really don't like what Ebay has become. >>



    So this clown is a member here? just curious
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
    No...I am thinking someone emailed him once I outed him. I personally have no problem outing bidders who give problems to Ebay auctioneers, but now I see why certain board members like Allen and the other member (I forget his name), didn't out the bidders who ripped them off. I don't need to deal with the bidder thinking I am on here talking trash about him, and it was really unnecessary for a fellow PSA board member to send him a note trying to "stir the pot"!!!!! In the future, it will make other members not want to "out" problem buyers!!!! My two cents....
  • baseballfanbaseballfan Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭
    tell him to pay the $100

    good luck, hope it works out
    Fred

    collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.

    looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started

  • nightcrawlernightcrawler Posts: 5,110 ✭✭
    The lowsy buyer needed to be outed. If he ends up giving you a neg please tell us about it. image

    If you don't out the dirtbag then starting a thread here is just a way of complaining about ebay problems.

    The guy you're dealing with is a turd, and he needed a good outing. If he had any honor he would have just paid for the item and kept his stupid face shut.

    Sorry to hear about his antagonizing you about this thread. That's typical of his type.


    To the lowly buyer... Man up, pay up and leave good feedback like you should.


    Allen's hypothetical situations were getting suspicious in my opinion.




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  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    Agreed to mutually cancel the transaction.

    IF someone here stirred the pot by contacting the bidder, SHAME ON THEM. Sounds like the seller is more trouble than they're worth and should be jettisoned from the transaction as soon as possible.

    Any person that puts forth an offer to buy/sell/trade then after the transaction is accepted by both parties, attempts to change the terms (price, payment, shipping expense, delivery method, etc) is someone that I would never do business with again. I've run across a few here and a few over the years. It is just a bad way to do business.

    Requiring Instant Payment on your BIN's is a great idea, BUT it also may lead to some interested buyers passing and not returning or remembering as they do not have access to the funds immediately. This doesn't mean that such are bad buyers, but sellers with a little patience and willingness to work with some buyers (those that ask questions in advance) will find that they WILL sell more material and typically get higher prices.

    If a seller is willing to work with a potential buyer, especially on a higher dollar item, I would think that the Instant Payment option might actually have an adverse affect on some of these types of transactions.

    Regardless, good luck and I hope it works out in your favor.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭

    "......Requiring Instant Payment on your BIN's is a great idea, BUT it also may lead to some interested buyers passing and not returning or remembering as they do not have access to the funds immediately. This doesn't mean that such are bad buyers, but sellers with a little patience and willingness to work with some buyers (those that ask questions in advance) will find that they WILL sell more material and typically get higher prices.

    If a seller is willing to work with a potential buyer, especially on a higher dollar item, I would think that the Instant Payment option might actually have an adverse affect on some of these types of transactions......."


    /////////////////////////////


    ALL VERY true.


    My decision to use IPR was made by weighing the upside/downside.


    The upside is that the savings in aggravation/labor are substantial.

    The downside is that some good folks DO bypass IPR listings and fail to return.



    I simply prefer to have EZ transactions, rather than to have more transactions.

    .........................


    When/If a shopping cart is rolled-out, buyers will find IPR more convenient
    than they currently do.



    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    storm:

    Is the Apocalypse far off? Are you suggesting we are almost in agreement? Smack my azz and call me Bernadette! image
  • mtcardsmtcards Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭
    Buyer is an idiot. Outing him is the exact right thing to do. Realize that a negative is only a matter of pride and one negative wont change others views on you especially if you follow through with taking this azzclown down. If he did this to you, he probably did it to others before and the reason why he doesnt have non-payer strikes against him is because the others refused to do anything.

    Follow ebay guidelines, if he doesnt pay, give him an NPB strike. You'll get your FVF back and if he still negs you, it just proves that he is as classless as his act suggests
    IT IS ALWAYS CHEAPER TO NOT SELL ON EBAY
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If a seller is willing to work with a potential buyer, especially on a higher dollar item, I would think that the Instant Payment option might actually have an adverse affect on some of these types of transactions....... >>




    All a potential buyer would have to do is message the seller before hitting the BIN. Of course someone else could buy it while that was happening but that's life.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    One last point regarding Allen, yes I see that now. If that was his reasoning all he or anyone had to do was simply say that in the thread.

    That way the pirhana among us would not act like week starved ones.



    Allen fwiw is a member here who many regard very highly and has contributed greatly.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • bxbbxb Posts: 805 ✭✭
    Added this loser to my blocked buyer list.

    Thank you for having the courage to out him.



    Capecards
  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,253 ✭✭✭
    Can ebay be contacted to block this guy from leaving a neg? The "buyer" obviously uses feedback as his blackmail to strong arm his BINs into a cheaper price. Maybe ebay will NARU him before a neg can be done for this?
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
    I did call Ebay to ask them what my options are......but if you have ever called Ebay, it is very weird experience.....after 20 minutes, your question still isn't answered, and half the time, I am thinking the person on the other end is wanting you to get frustrated and just hang up.....
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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
    Sent a request to cancel the transaction.....will keep everyone updated.....
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
    BUYER CANCELLED...ANYONE WANT A SWEET 1954 Ted Williams or a 1952 Bowman Bob Feller? lol
  • nightcrawlernightcrawler Posts: 5,110 ✭✭
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