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There you go guys. I think i have learned enough.
Winner of the "You Suck!" award March 17, 2010 by LanLord, doh, 123cents and Bear.
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I bought a gold dollar - ANACS said copy - seller said send back (texaswhenidie)- I did
(I sent 3 coins back to different sellers that day)
I get a eMail from this seller - WHEN YOU GOING TO SEND THAT COIN BACK
I know then I had been scrued
I already left feedback a month before
Sucks. It happened to me once too. I truly believe the nasty seller received it. If I could prove it I'd "out" him.
Lance.
1794 Liberty Cap Cent--Good+/FR
Greetings....I will try to decribe each coin accurately. All coins are nice original pieces unless otherwise decribed. The pictures are pretty accurate and should give a solid idea of color, surfaces and details. If there are any questions please ask and I will do my best to answer as quickly as possible.
A very nice obverse with great details, color and surfaces. The reverse is almost a ghost.
Shipping/Handling varies. All packages over $25 will ship insured. I will gladly combine as much S/H as possible. I do NOT combine S/H where I only charge $1 for S/H. I make my best effort to ship next day.
I accept returns gladly if not pleased. I offer either to refund your payment of the bid price, or will offer a store credit....whichever you wish. I do ask that you email me frior to any returns. Thank you.
<< <i>Thanks Barndog. It is frosty444. Aside from the rim bumbs on the reverse it appears to be a nice coin. You cannot see the scratches on the obverse under the chin. Many pin like scratches in horizontal strokes. Not at all mentioned and clearly hidden in the photograph. >>
I don't have time to pull out any literature right now but I'd guess those are cuds from a badly degraded die rather than rim bumps. Cool coin.
--Jerry
<< <i>So i buy a 1794 large cent. The discription is great color, detail and surfaces. I looked at the coin and hand and it had some intentional scratches under the chin on the obverse. I left the feed back negative. Not to bash the guy, but just to give my discription of the coin which was described inaccurate in my oppinion. He didn't like that very well. He told me if he got the coin he would not except it and cause me problems. $160 dollars he decided to keep from me because i sent first class only before realizing he was going to cause me problems. He knew he could keep it. I had no tracking number and he is claming he didn't get. Normally i would think perhaps it's lost in the mail or maybe it will come back to me because of the return address. Four weeks go by and nothing. Sometimes you just get that gut feeling that someone is taking you.
Thanks Steve Frost! I warn you all to stay away from Frosty444 on Ebay. Nasty Seller to deal with. >>
I do not think that was an appropriate negative feedback at all. But, it didnt give the man a right to steal from you either. Just because you didnt like a coin is not cause to neg someone in my opinion if they are willing to give a refund and deal with you in a professional manner.
My Early Large Cents
What did you expect for $160? The Hope Diamond???
A few scratches on a cull grade 18th century large cent are nothing to gripe and moan about.
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<< <i>If I understand correctly the coin was returned without insurance or delivery confirmation. The seller says he never got it so no refund. eBay won't help you.
Sucks. It happened to me once too. I truly believe the nasty seller received it. If I could prove it I'd "out" him.
Lance. >>
I see. However, the seller acknowledged receiving the coin, so the e-mails should be enough evidence for ebay to given the refund, I would think. >>
I have a little trouble with the grammar construction of the OP (reads like Yoda wrote it) but I don't see where it says the seller acknowledged receiving the coin.
And I certainly agree that a negative was entirely uncalled for and is probably the root of this problem.
Lance.
edited to say: the original post has been edited and it is now clearer.
Maine_Jim
<< <i>Seeing the photo of the coin, I think he described it quite well. For the price...I think you HAD a good deal.
What did you expect for $160? The Hope Diamond???
A few scratches on a cull grade 18th century large cent are nothing to gripe and moan about. >>
Thats correct in my view. Plus why the negative until you contact the seller and why on earth would you send any return without delivery confirmation. The seller has 17k plus transactions and the image does show something under the chin. I would buy from the seller and in fact may.
Look at the images very close the OP did not. To leave negative feedback first is really not right and shows bad faith in my opinion. Sorry no sympathy from me. One sided post like this make me wonder a lot the Op would of been fine to simply return the item the correct way and too look at the image in the listing in the first place.
<< <i>I didn't realize leaving a negative feedback was such a big deal. I was just trying to leave the correct information how i saw it so the coin could be returned. Not to piss anyone off. Or tell them they are a bad person. Just feedback. I guess we should just not leave feedback it all. I thought that is what it was for. Feed back! >>
1. To a good seller, feedback and customer's satisfation are everything!
2. If item is not as described, nicely let the seller know your disatisfaction before returning it.
3. When mailing with the USPS, at least, purchase a delivery confirmation or insurance, or you are donating your coin to the USPS thieves.
4. If the seller refunded your money in a timely manner after receiving your return, no need to leave negative feedback. If you don't feel like being nice, leave a neutral feedback!
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
1- That feedback was way out of line. If someone sends you something that you don't like and offers a return, return it. Perhaps if the coin were cleaned to bright white immediate feedback could be warranted, but you've described light scratches that perhaps he even missed. Instead of giving him a chance to make it right, you did the most powerful thing you could. And now you expect him to cooperate. As a seller, it bothers me when buyers open PayPal claims before so much as emailing me to let me know of a problem. If you expect a seller to cooperate, you can't start by doing your worst. Once you do, they have no incentive.
2- If you're going to play by PayPal/eBay rules, you should have used some sort of tracking. You pissed off a seller, and then gave him a golden opportunity to stick it to you.
3- I'm not excusing what the seller did/is doing, as even the worst buyers deserve not to be defrauded. However, from everything written here (and it's only your side, not his!) I'm led to believe you WAY overreacted, and as much as the seller could have done better, you could have, too. I'm having trouble drumming up too much sympathy here.
What's your eBay id?... so I can block you from bidding on my auctions.
Who is this Pain in the Neck guy? I mean 1intheneck?
My Early Large Cents
<< <i>I didn't realize that negative feedback was that damaging or i would have handled it different. I was just trying to get my money back and leave the feedback that i had then thought was needed in order to get back my money.
Who is this Pain in the Neck guy? I mean 1intheneck? >>
Apparently he is a seller on eBay who doesn't want to deal with someone who'll neg a seller before giving him the opportunity to make things right.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
One time i purchased a bent coin that was not even a round, the images had been shot at an angle and the discription inaccurate. A well known seller with plenty of experiance. I get tired of people who waste my time and money when i have to return a coin that i would have never purchased if they had been honest upfront.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Just so the air is clear the guy had no intention of taking my coin back even before i left the feedback.
One time i purchased a bent coin that was not even a round, the images had been shot at an angle and the discription inaccurate. A well known seller with plenty of experiance. I get tired of people who waste my time and money when i have to return a coin that i would have never purchased if they had been honest upfront. >>
You may or may not be correct, but why make it more difficult for youself before the attempt and why didn't you protect yourself better in the return? His deeds or motives are simply conjecture, but your actions were real.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
<< <i>There is no such name as Frost444 on eBay??? >>
try frosty444 friend
THEN WHY DID YOU SEND IT? Put me in the camp that wonders...
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
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<< <i>There is no such name as Frost444 on eBay??? >>
try frosty444 friend
The OP called him Frost444 in the title and in his 1st post, then he edited it after I pointed it out!! Where's the Dohhh emoticon??
<< <i>I didn't realize that negative feedback was that damaging or i would have handled it different. I was just trying to get my money back and leave the feedback that i had then thought was needed in order to get back my money.
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...with all due respect, leaving negative feedback can be very damaging.
...I agree, the OP should have worked it out with the dealer before leaving the feedback. You don't use feedback to leverage a result.
I like the idea of communicating with the seller, and suggest that if he makes it good, you can retract the neg.
......I collect old stuff......
Pictures CAN hide things, even unintentionally. Someone does a write up on a coin they are selling may not list every single thing nor be able to anticipate every single buyer's question. If there is a valid return offered, and no proof of shenigans, then no negative should have even been thought of. Nor should anyone with any type of sense about them even think of returning something before making the seller aware of the return, and how things will go.
Sorry, but this was completely bungled by the buyer and I disagree with saying the negative was to let others know about the picture....sounds more spiteful and not a buyer I would want no matter what.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>uhm, if you really believe he got the coin, send an empty box with tracking as mumu suggested with his *wink wink*. you did do this like a newbie
If this was done, wouldn't the OP be committing a postal crime by sending an empty package to the seller with the intention of deceiving Ebay.
<< <i>I didn't realize that negative feedback was that damaging or i would have handled it different. I was just trying to get my money back and leave the feedback that i had then thought was needed in order to get back my money.
Who is this Pain in the Neck guy? I mean 1intheneck? >>
I'm the voice of reason... mock my handle if it makes you feel better, but you screwed this up from the start by overreacting. Maybe you should try Pokémon cards.
Cheers,
Bob
This type of thread makes for great entertainment and names for the blocked list. Usually the OP.
Ken
<< <i>The guy would have probably taken the return before you left the NEG. Now, he's just being vindictive.
Cheers,
Bob >>
Given how the OP has portrayed himself, I wouldn't jump the gun thinking that the seller is being vindictive at all.
3 sides to every story, but usually, the person telling the story makes themself look good....unlike in this case....
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Oh yeah...I'm going to edit this post in hopes you though I said something really controversial.
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
If seller scammed the buyer, completely unacceptable and should be criminally prosecuted.
Neg'ing someone before a return is unjustified.
If seller wont honor return, that would be a different story.
<< <i>Leaving negative feedback before working it out w/ the seller? You sound like an a**hole.
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Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.