Can someone post a picture of a PCGS Secure Plus Plussed coin AND which has the coveted gold bean?
Longacre
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Does anyone know if this type of coin exists? I have not seen one posted yet, but if they exist, I would love to see a picture. Perhaps the first coin with the two coveted designations can be so highlighted somehow.
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--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
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<< <i>These, by definition, should be few and far between. Either a coin is solid for the next grade up (Gold) or high end for the assigned grade (+). Since these will, in the short run, be coins that are graded in the same time period, with similar standards, they really should not exist. >>
Exactly. So coins with this type of wrapper on them should be excessively rare.
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
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<< <i>These, by definition, should be few and far between. Either a coin is solid for the next grade up (Gold) or high end for the assigned grade (+). Since these will, in the short run, be coins that are graded in the same time period, with similar standards, they really should not exist. >>
Exactly. So coins with this type of wrapper on them should be excessively rare. >>
The slab may be "excessively rare" while the coin may be excessively common.
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<< <i>Has a green beaned SecurePlus + been sighted? >>
Here's one.
Lance.
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<< <i>Has a green beaned SecurePlus + been sighted? >>
Here's one.
Lance. >>
Had me going for awhile, but that another flavor, its a" green beaned Secure Plus no+" - e.g. straight MS66, not MS66+. What I was looking for is a Green bean and a "+" grade.
This "Secure Plus +" terminology is perhaps a bit much!
LK, the combination you posted (Green Bean SecurePlus no+) should be rarer than the Green Bean Secure +, I would think- if CAC and PCGS agree more often than not high end coins - "Solid for the grade (CAC) and .7, .8, .9 (PCGS). We can deduce that the coin you posted would be a 66.5 or 66.6 - if you beleive all that.
Here's a + and CAC
<< <i>The slab may be "excessively rare" while the coin may be excessively common. >>
Isn't that an accepted recipe for Obscene Profit™?
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Spend money on Chasing Beans and money on Chasing Plus's... I'll be spending my money on buying COINS!!!
<< <i>Talk about anal retentive … Anyone who is that unsure of themselves when it comes to judging the quality of the coins they own or want to buy should look for a new hobby or profession if you are a coin dealer. >>
<< <i>Anyone who is that unsure of themselves when it comes to judging the quality of the coins they own or want to buy should look for a new hobby or profession if you are a coin dealer. >>
Really? So you started collecting with a complete understanding of how to judge the quality of the coins you were purchasing? You never leaned on other collectors or dealers to help?
Perhaps we should recognize that none of us are perfect and we all had to start somewhere, and relying on others (whether through the mentoring of one collector by another, or the procurement of third party grading or opinions) is perfectly acceptable, provided we accept the risks associated therewith....Mike
I think you are missing the point. I don't think dealers need this, their customers do. If I'm going to plunk down $50k on a coin, it better be certified, CAC'd, and whatever. If I'm going to plunk down $50k on some stock, I'm not going to buy a stock under SEC investigation where 20 analysts have a strong sell rating and Moody's, S&P, and whoever rate the companies debt at junk status, and Cramer just gave a triple SELL buzzer rating.
<< <i>Talk about anal retentive … Anyone who is that unsure of themselves when it comes to judging the quality of the coins they own or want to buy should look for a new hobby or profession if you are a coin dealer. >>
I can see both sides of it. Some people feel all warm and fuzzy with their stars and stickers and +s. Some people feel all warm and fuzzy with the knowledge that they can grade coins and they don't need no other stinkin' opinions. I probably lean towards the latter when talking about stickers and +s and such...I'll buy a coin I like regardless of what's on the holder, but I know when it comes time to sell a coin, those stickers and +s and stars will help.
I can see both sides of it. Some people feel all warm and fuzzy with their stars and stickers and +s. Some people feel all warm and fuzzy with the knowledge that they can grade coins and they don't need no other stinkin' opinions. I probably lean towards the latter when talking about stickers and +s and such...I'll buy a coin I like regardless of what's on the holder, but I know when it comes time to sell a coin, those stickers and +s and stars will help. >>
What he said.
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<< <i>Anyone who is that unsure of themselves when it comes to judging the quality of the coins they own or want to buy should look for a new hobby or profession if you are a coin dealer. >>
Really? So you started collecting with a complete understanding of how to judge the quality of the coins you were purchasing? You never leaned on other collectors or dealers to help?
Perhaps we should recognize that none of us are perfect and we all had to start somewhere, and relying on others (whether through the mentoring of one collector by another, or the procurement of third party grading or opinions) is perfectly acceptable, provided we accept the risks associated therewith....Mike >>
You don't start in this hobby buy buying very expensive coins unless you have expert guidance. I learned by taking my share of hard knocks. I ended up selling some coins for less than half what I paid for them in the 1970s. I learned from every coin buying mistake that I made, and it took time to get there.
Some dealers tell me that I have “the eye” for good stuff. I think there is some truth in that. Some people never develop the ability to spot what is attractive and properly graded and what is not. I guess it might be a talent. But the point of my post was that if you need the PCGS + grade PLUS CAC, to feel comfortable, you need to spend more time learning.
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<< <i>Anyone who is that unsure of themselves when it comes to judging the quality of the coins they own or want to buy should look for a new hobby or profession if you are a coin dealer. >>
Really? So you started collecting with a complete understanding of how to judge the quality of the coins you were purchasing? You never leaned on other collectors or dealers to help?
Perhaps we should recognize that none of us are perfect and we all had to start somewhere, and relying on others (whether through the mentoring of one collector by another, or the procurement of third party grading or opinions) is perfectly acceptable, provided we accept the risks associated therewith....Mike >>
You don't start in this hobby buy buying very expensive coins unless you have expert guidance. I learned by taking my share of hard knocks. I ended up selling some coins for less than half what I paid for them in the 1970s. I learned from every coin buying mistake that I made, and it took time to get there.
Some dealers tell me that I have “the eye” for good stuff. I think there is some truth in that. Some people never develop the ability to spot what is attractive and properly graded and what is not. I guess it might be a talent. But the point of my post was that if you need the PCGS + grade PLUS CAC, to feel comfortable, you need to spend more time learning. >>
A hobbyist like myself will never be able to match up to the pros who make a living messing with coins and often getting them by professional graders and experienced dealers. I will take all the help and advice I can get, which may be in the form of slabs, stickers, expert contacts, third, fourth, fifth, sixth opinions, etc. The know-it-alls can avoid stickers, slabs, pluses, etc., and when the putty blossoms on their prized coins, their AT coins turn black, and no one wants to buy their low-end coins at shows, I will gladly refer them to slabs, stickers, pluses, expert contacts, etc. that could have helped them sidestep some of these problems.
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
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<< <i>Anyone who is that unsure of themselves when it comes to judging the quality of the coins they own or want to buy should look for a new hobby or profession if you are a coin dealer. >>
Really? So you started collecting with a complete understanding of how to judge the quality of the coins you were purchasing? You never leaned on other collectors or dealers to help?
Perhaps we should recognize that none of us are perfect and we all had to start somewhere, and relying on others (whether through the mentoring of one collector by another, or the procurement of third party grading or opinions) is perfectly acceptable, provided we accept the risks associated therewith....Mike >>
You don't start in this hobby buy buying very expensive coins unless you have expert guidance. I learned by taking my share of hard knocks. I ended up selling some coins for less than half what I paid for them in the 1970s. I learned from every coin buying mistake that I made, and it took time to get there.
Some dealers tell me that I have “the eye” for good stuff. I think there is some truth in that. Some people never develop the ability to spot what is attractive and properly graded and what is not. I guess it might be a talent. But the point of my post was that if you need the PCGS + grade PLUS CAC, to feel comfortable, you need to spend more time learning. >>
A hobbyist like myself will never be able to match up to the pros who make a living messing with coins and often getting them by professional graders and experienced dealers. I will take all the help and advice I can get, which may be in the form of slabs, stickers, expert contacts, third, fourth, fifth, sixth opinions, etc. The know-it-alls can avoid stickers, slabs, pluses, etc., and when the putty blossoms on their prized coins, their AT coins turn black, and no one wants to buy their low-end coins at shows, I will gladly refer them to slabs, stickers, pluses, expert contacts, etc. that could have helped them sidestep some of these problems.
I would place more trust in an honest dealer who known his business, who is willing to work with you, than in all the slabs and stickers there are in the world. I would also place more trust in spending the time to read and study the books on grading than all the slabs and stickers in the world. That's what I did. I was like the guys on the TV series "The Big Bang Theory." Most people have be a bit obsessed with this hobby and be “coin nerd” to be a success with it. There are some people who have an incredible natural talent for it, but they are the exceptions.
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<< <i>Anyone who is that unsure of themselves when it comes to judging the quality of the coins they own or want to buy should look for a new hobby or profession if you are a coin dealer. >>
Really? So you started collecting with a complete understanding of how to judge the quality of the coins you were purchasing? You never leaned on other collectors or dealers to help?
Perhaps we should recognize that none of us are perfect and we all had to start somewhere, and relying on others (whether through the mentoring of one collector by another, or the procurement of third party grading or opinions) is perfectly acceptable, provided we accept the risks associated therewith....Mike >>
You don't start in this hobby buy buying very expensive coins unless you have expert guidance. I learned by taking my share of hard knocks. I ended up selling some coins for less than half what I paid for them in the 1970s. I learned from every coin buying mistake that I made, and it took time to get there.
Some dealers tell me that I have “the eye” for good stuff. I think there is some truth in that. Some people never develop the ability to spot what is attractive and properly graded and what is not. I guess it might be a talent. But the point of my post was that if you need the PCGS + grade PLUS CAC, to feel comfortable, you need to spend more time learning. >>
A hobbyist like myself will never be able to match up to the pros who make a living messing with coins and often getting them by professional graders and experienced dealers. I will take all the help and advice I can get, which may be in the form of slabs, stickers, expert contacts, third, fourth, fifth, sixth opinions, etc. The know-it-alls can avoid stickers, slabs, pluses, etc., and when the putty blossoms on their prized coins, their AT coins turn black, and no one wants to buy their low-end coins at shows, I will gladly refer them to slabs, stickers, pluses, expert contacts, etc. that could have helped them sidestep some of these problems.
I would place more trust in an honest dealer who known his business, who is willing to work with you, than in all the slabs and stickers there are in the world. I would also place more trust in spending the time to read and study the books on grading than all the slabs and stickers in the world. That's what I did. I was like the guys on the TV series "The Big Bang Theory." Most people have be a bit obsessed with this hobby and be “coin nerd” to be a success with it. There are some people who have an incredible natural talent for it, but they are the exceptions. >>
Why not have it all? Having expert help, your own personal experience, a slab, and a sticker? None of these (except the sticker without a slab) is mutually exclusive. Why does it bother someone else if I want it all?
<< <i>Secure Plus + and CAC
Here's a + and CAC >>
Aaaannnnndddd.... a new name!
"Double PQ! "
This is about completing the matrix.
I simply want to see a PCGS Plus Plussed coin with a gold bean. For it's own sake.
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<< <i>Anyone who is that unsure of themselves when it comes to judging the quality of the coins they own or want to buy should look for a new hobby or profession if you are a coin dealer. >>
Really? So you started collecting with a complete understanding of how to judge the quality of the coins you were purchasing? You never leaned on other collectors or dealers to help?
Perhaps we should recognize that none of us are perfect and we all had to start somewhere, and relying on others (whether through the mentoring of one collector by another, or the procurement of third party grading or opinions) is perfectly acceptable, provided we accept the risks associated therewith....Mike >>
You don't start in this hobby buy buying very expensive coins unless you have expert guidance. I learned by taking my share of hard knocks. I ended up selling some coins for less than half what I paid for them in the 1970s. I learned from every coin buying mistake that I made, and it took time to get there.
Some dealers tell me that I have “the eye” for good stuff. I think there is some truth in that. Some people never develop the ability to spot what is attractive and properly graded and what is not. I guess it might be a talent. But the point of my post was that if you need the PCGS + grade PLUS CAC, to feel comfortable, you need to spend more time learning. >>
Thanks, Bill, for the clarification. Your point is much more clear now, and your restated position is, FWIW, much more reasonable to me. Thanks again...Mike
<< <i>These, by definition, should be few and far between. Either a coin is solid for the next grade up (Gold) or high end for the assigned grade (+). Since these will, in the short run, be coins that are graded in the same time period, with similar standards, they really should not exist. >>
I would agree with this statement, if and only if, we could be assured that PCGS and CAC grade with identical view of the grading scale. As I am not assured of this assumption, I woud posit that a gold CAC would be possible on a PCGS +.
<< <i>Plus's and Beans... I'm so happy I collect low priced modern crap!!
Spend money on Chasing Beans and money on Chasing Plus's... I'll be spending my money on buying COINS!!! >>
I like your reasoning, Mad Marty.