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Poland- very sad and tragic as well as off-topic
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after logging on, I read real sad news- apparently the Polish President, his wife and other high ranking Polish officials were killed in a plane crash in Russia
I am stunned and extend my sympathy to the people of Poland and others effected by this tragedy...
I am stunned and extend my sympathy to the people of Poland and others effected by this tragedy...
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"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
<< <i>True, a 25-year old plane shouldn't be in service, especially to haul around VIPs, nor should so many have been in one plane.
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Sorry about the Polish leaders.
Oh, and nice Monte Carlo, too.
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"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
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<< <i>True, a 25-year old plane shouldn't be in service, especially to haul around VIPs, nor should so many have been in one plane.
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Sorry about the Polish leaders.
Oh, and nice Monte Carlo, too. >>
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<< <i>Anytime you fly in a TU154 (or any other Tupolev plane) you are unfortunately risking your life. >>
Whenever you fly into that part of Europe during the spring and fall months fog is a big factor in flying into and landing at airports. I know this personally from flying so much in Ukraine - many flights are cancelled or delayed because of fog. The pilot of the aircraft in question apparently ignored ATC at Smolensk airport when they instructed them not to land because VFR was not possible. Navigation aids for landing without VFR in many parts of the ex-USSR are not very good. It is not unusual therefore to have ATC advise pilots to not land, but proceed to an airport where VFR is available. TU-154 is actually an average aircraft with safety record comparable to western aircrafts, it is much better than aircrafts Ilyushin or Yakovlev. I have flown in YAK-42, and it is very unnerving experience, wind whistles through windows from decompression, tray tables are metal and do not stay attached to seat in front of you - and seat belts - if there are any you have to tie them together - no buckles.
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
So, god bless them and hopefully the Polish people will be able to move forward in a reasonably
positive fashion from this blow to their body politic.
I enjoy the posters to this thread though, a lurker or two and many who were perhaps more active in the past than now.
is that you end up being governed by inferiors. – Plato
There was fog and the Russian air traffic controllers told the Polish plane to divert to another airport. Diverting would mean several hours driving time and would have disrupted the planned Katyn event. The decisionmakers on the plane didn't have much confidence or trust in the Russians (for historical reasons). They probably interpreted the Russian air traffic controllers as intentionally exaggerating the weather situation for political reasons -- to mess up the Katyn remembrance event. (Kaczynski was a nationist politician and was unpopular with the Russians). The decisionmakers on the plane therefore disregarded what the Russians were saying, attempted to land, and the plane crashed.
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I flew once to Warsaw, right after 9/11 tragedy in the USA, I think no other country had such outpouring of grief for USA than Poland did. In the embassy area of Warsaw the streets were literally covered with wax because of all candles near the USA embassy there.
<< <i>It is funny where I live, we have lots of second generation Poles around here that are not quite familiar with Polish language anymore, and when we are out and talking they come up to us and ask us if we are speaking Polish because it sounds somewhat familiar.
I flew once to Warsaw, right after 9/11 tragedy in the USA, I think no other country had such outpouring of grief for USA than Poland did. In the embassy area of Warsaw the streets were literally covered with wax because of all candles near the USA embassy there. >>
Did you see the American flag bandana I tied to the embassy fence, right above the candles? Or had everything been taken away by that time?
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22