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It's surprising this Clark, Gruber "piece" has not been mentioned here yet.

Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭
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In an upcoming auction

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Ed. S.

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,464 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for pointing it out. I missed it while browsing the territorials in the upcoming auction. image
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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, that is very cool and I am sure out of my price range.
  • jessecarlkjessecarlk Posts: 646
    a $20 struck over a $10?...i'll pay $30 for it image
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  • PQTypePQType Posts: 471 ✭


    << <i>It's surprising this Clark, Gruber "piece" has not been mentioned here yet. >>



    Please do not take offense, but it is just my opinion, but its not cool posting a current auction unless you are the seller. We all spend hours searching for coins online, somthing like this just adds bidder to the pool. I have seen some auctions I was bidding on jump by 3-5 bidders after someone posted a live or upcoming auction here and lost out to other bidders. Even when I put high moon money bids on items.

    Just my opinion, I will say it happens less now then a year ago.

    May I suggest PM to a friend instead of a public notice image

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  • gsaguygsaguy Posts: 2,425 ✭


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    << <i>It's surprising this Clark, Gruber "piece" has not been mentioned here yet. >>



    Please do not take offense, but it is just my opinion, but its not cool posting a current auction unless you are the seller. We all spend hours searching for coins online, somthing like this just adds bidder to the pool. I have seen some auctions I was bidding on jump by 3-5 bidders after someone posted a live or upcoming auction here and lost out to other bidders. Even when I put high moon money bids on items.

    Just my opinion, I will say it happens less now then a year ago.

    May I suggest PM to a friend instead of a public notice image >>



    Note to self: Outbid PQType for this piece.image
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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,220 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Isn't there a controvery about the "type 2" 1861 Clark Gruber $20, in that some think they are 1950's vintage counterfeits ?
    I have my suspicions. I wonder about this piece.
    Moonlight Mint
  • ToneloverTonelover Posts: 1,554 ✭
    I am far from an expert in Territorial gold but it is indeed very suspicious. In December of last year PCGS published an article entitled Top 12 Rare Coin Buybacks – PCGS Puts its Money Where Its Mouth Is! in which the fourth largest on the list was a 1861/57-S Clark Gruber $20 MS63. I was party to that situation and saw the coin, it had many of the same characteristics of this piece although it was not on a different sized coin. The doubled profile, the overstruck reverse letters, remnants of the previous date, all very similar. I'll post pics of it when I'm back at the office later.

    I am not proclaiming the Heritage coin to be one of these contemporary counterfits, I do not know that. Just saying that it sure is similar to the one that PCGS bought back.
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>It's surprising this Clark, Gruber "piece" has not been mentioned here yet. >>



    Please do not take offense, but it is just my opinion, but its not cool posting a current auction unless you are the seller. We all spend hours searching for coins online, somthing like this just adds bidder to the pool. I have seen some auctions I was bidding on jump by 3-5 bidders after someone posted a live or upcoming auction here and lost out to other bidders. Even when I put high moon money bids on items.

    Just my opinion, I will say it happens less now then a year ago.

    May I suggest PM to a friend instead of a public notice image >>

    If a seller posted a current auction, that would be spam. And that is frowned upon by far more individuals than that which you are complaining about.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just saying that it sure is similar to the one that PCGS bought back.

    This is one of the coins. That's why it's now in a holder designating the piece as a "fantasy".
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  • ToneloverTonelover Posts: 1,554 ✭
    Ah, that's good. Didn't see the fantasy part on the holder nor did I read the description.

    Here's the one they bought back.

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thank you...

    Great information here.

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  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PQ, no offense, but if the OP hadn't posted this we would have missed some good info. And no, I won't be bidding.image
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,869 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PQ, no offense, but if the OP hadn't posted this we would have missed some good info. And no, I won't be bidding.image >>



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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>It's surprising this Clark, Gruber "piece" has not been mentioned here yet. >>



    Please do not take offense, but it is just my opinion, but its not cool posting a current auction unless you are the seller. We all spend hours searching for coins online, somthing like this just adds bidder to the pool. I have seen some auctions I was bidding on jump by 3-5 bidders after someone posted a live or upcoming auction here and lost out to other bidders. Even when I put high moon money bids on items.

    Just my opinion, I will say it happens less now then a year ago.

    May I suggest PM to a friend instead of a public notice image >>



    Note to self: Outbid PQType for this piece.image >>



    Note to self: Post more auction links. image
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,879 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I were involved with territorial gold, which I am not, I would not be interested in this piece. As a collector who would like an example from a historical point of view, an odd ball item like this, regardless of its rarity would be a turn-off for me, given the expected price. This is the kind of piece that fellow with deep pockets who already had a nice example would want.
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    I was going to bid $20. Think that is too much?
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  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Just saying that it sure is similar to the one that PCGS bought back.

    This is one of the coins. That's why it's now in a holder designating the piece as a "fantasy". >>



    Gee, I never scrolled down to the slab pictures. :( My post, I suppose, was more a silent commentary on the lot description (which does eventually get to the point.)
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    Ed. S.

    (EJS)

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