I'd rather have a * than + .
agentjim007
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I prefer eye appeal over half a technical point. PCGS needs a *.
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<< <i>I prefer eye appeal over half a technical point. PCGS needs a *. >>
There's a bit of irony in that statement now that I think of it. If you prefer eye appeal, then you prefer the subjective characteristics of an individual coin that make it the most appealing to you. The * means that it is among those most appealing to someone else, but that's not necessarily what you want.
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<< <i>Personally, I could care less what others think of coins I find interesting. Asterisks, plus signs and beans serve a purpose, and that purpose is mainly monetary. These designations provide a basis for higher prices - I could care less about indignant exclamations to the contrary. It is now, and has been for some time, about the profit, not the coin. I collect coins, I do not sell them. Therefore, it is the coin that makes me happy, not the value. Cheers, RickO >>
I agree entirely. All this does is add more vague description to an already imprecise procedure. There seems to be an attempt to make grading seem more scientific and all it does is make it more confusing. This will only result in attempts by sellers to justify charging higher prices. We will see descriptions like "Condition Census for the grade plus." "The only MS65+ graded by PCGS for this date and mintmark" as if that coin is somehow unique. When the market tanks because of all this, then no one will care what is on the holder.
Yes I would, if I only could..................
I'd rather be a hammer than a nail
Yes I would, if I only could..................
The MS68! 1901s barber quarter
The PR69! 1895 Morgan Dollar
I want the BANG in my grades!
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Thanks Al, now I will be singing Simon & Garfunkel songs all day
"...like a bridge over troubled waters ...
I will lay me down
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<< <i>I want PCGS to adopt the "!" on their slabs
The MS68! 1901s barber quarter
The PR69! 1895 Morgan Dollar
I want the BANG in my grades!
If something required a star and a bang, it may look like the superlative on your grade is really an expletive.
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That 01S was a GREAT coin before pcgs was an idle thought.
<< <i>When you have a GREAT coin it dosent matter what it says on the slab. or for that matter if it is a slab, or what kind of slab.
That 01S was a GREAT coin before pcgs was an idle thought. >>
You mean PCGS did not invent coins? Do you have any proof? I find this very disturbing. MJ
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<< <i>I think I have a solution to everyone's desires.
Mowgli, that is an Awesome coin, I have to have it!
<< <i>Personally, I could care less what others think of coins I find interesting. Asterisks, plus signs and beans serve a purpose, and that purpose is mainly monetary. These designations provide a basis for higher prices - I could care less about indignant exclamations to the contrary. It is now, and has been for some time, about the profit, not the coin. I collect coins, I do not sell them. Therefore, it is the coin that makes me happy, not the value. Cheers, RickO >>
While this observation and preference is true Rick, it's only applicable to raw coins as all the additional designations and opinions will affect the dealers asking price. That asking price becomes your baseline for what you are willing to pay for the coin.
Unless, or course, you're able to find what you collect from bank rolls.
As for the OP, the "*" was never intended as a technical merit, only an eye appeal factor whereas the "+" is technical. Granted, PCGS has stated that the "+" will not be awarded based upon eye appeal but on the other side they also state that eye appeal can be worth a point. Given that, its anybodies guess.
Myself, I would prefer the "+" designation over that "*" any day of the week!
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>Personally, I could care less what others think of coins I find interesting. Asterisks, plus signs and beans serve a purpose, and that purpose is mainly monetary. These designations provide a basis for higher prices - I could care less about indignant exclamations to the contrary. It is now, and has been for some time, about the profit, not the coin. I collect coins, I do not sell them. Therefore, it is the coin that makes me happy, not the value. Cheers, RickO >>
While this observation and preference is true Rick, it's only applicable to raw coins as all the additional designations and opinions will affect the dealers asking price. That asking price becomes your baseline for what you are willing to pay for the coin.
Unless, or course, you're able to find what you collect from bank rolls.
As for the OP, the "*" was never intended as a technical merit, only an eye appeal factor whereas the "+" is technical. Granted, PCGS has stated that the "+" will not be awarded based upon eye appeal but on the other side they also state that eye appeal can be worth a point. Given that, its anybodies guess.
Myself, I would prefer the "+" designation over that "*" any day of the week!
So when did a so-called technical + not become subjective? >>
When PCGS decided to implement it.
The name is LEE!
That 01S was a GREAT coin before pcgs was an idle thought.
would you say that if the 01-S was in an ACG or PCI holder as an MS68??
If I were a lazy collector who did not want to learn anything including how to use the new Heritage search function...................... aw, forget it!!!
<< <i>I prefer eye appeal over half a technical point. PCGS needs a *. >>
No way a NGC star will sell for as much as a PCGS Plus. Let's see what the marketplace says. The Plus will win by a very large margin.
We already have too many grades, and other "special" notations, don't need more.
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<< <i>I prefer eye appeal over half a technical point. PCGS needs a *. >>
No way a NGC star will sell for as much as a PCGS Plus. Let's see what the marketplace says. The Plus will win by a very large margin.
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Kool-aid sippy cup for you
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<< <i>Ten times and more multiples??? Can you please cite an example. PS. Is there any you can embed audio into your ornate sigline?
I think he may be talking about coins with the wild colors that some collectors go crazy over.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Just look at the plus, minus, star, and bean weenies......
Now we are talking serious weenies.
Now we are talking serious weenies.
no, John, what we're talking is collectors who NEED the grading company to remove all risk for them so: a) they don't make a bad decision when buying---or---b) they feel better about a purchase they already made. in short it demonstrates to me a lack of confidence or an unwillingness to learn and trust what has been learned.
<< <i>A confident collector can buy a coin in a third tier slab....and feel good about it *(providing they know the series like the back of their hand)* >>
Agree. And they would be smart enought to treat the coin in the third tier slab as if it were raw.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Ten times and more multiples??? Can you please cite an example. PS. Is there any you can embed audio into your ornate sigline?
You really don't have to look far. There are lots of examples out there especially in toned coins -------as Perry eluded too. Just because one doesn't play in this market doesn't make it less of a reality to those that do. MJ
You can find 67's for $700 in either service. I believe this one hammered at $13,800.
How about 20 X multiple
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>well, maybe Im crazy but Id never pay 20X for the way a coin tarnished. sorry. >>
That's cool brother. If you ever change your mind and want some advise on tarnished coins I'm your man. If I ever get into little yellow coins in tough years or mint branches I'll look you up
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
can have both sourkraut as well as mustard on it.
Camelot
then a poke in the eye.
Camelot
Green.....Solid for the grade
Silver......top 15% of Grade
Gold.......Probable upgrade
Camelot
Commems and Early Type
<< <i>Eye appeal is completely subjective, so I've never understood how someone can say "This coin has positive eye appeal." How do they know what I like? I'm glad PCGS does NOT have a * and I hope they never do. >>
The way I see it,is the Star is really a consensus designation,like grades.There are supposed to be 3 graders plus a finalizer to reach a grade.At least that's what NGC tells us.There may be an extra step for a Star candidate. Overall, I think they get it right. Every Star coin I've seen does have an extra something to it.