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What is your understanding of a PCGS QC (questionable color) mean?

seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭
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What is your understanding of a PCGS QC (questionable color) mean?

I seldom check PM's but do check emails often jason@seated.org

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  • drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    insufficient data?
  • kryptonitecomicskryptonitecomics Posts: 9,185 ✭
    They aren't comfortable calling the color/toning natural. This couild be due to artificial toning, a cleaning in the case of copper, improper storage....any number of things could fall under this umbrella.
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    To me, it means that they are (edited for spelling) not comfortable labeling the coin market acceptable or natural.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I always thought of QC as a polite way of saying AT.

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  • tcmitssrtcmitssr Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I always thought of QC as a polite way of saying AT. >>



    Maybe it keeps the legal system at bay?
  • seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭
    from what I am being told it can me natural toning and QC which makes no sense at all.

    The official response I would not post out of courtesy to the host of the boards but I am thinking this is a good way bag any coin under the sun.

    If they called it UC (ugly color) then I could see a why they might be saying but I do not (still) get what this means and am hoping someone might have an angle I have not reviewed.

    I have resubmitted these in the past and much of the time they do get grades assigned but still this puzzles me why this happens in the first place.
    I seldom check PM's but do check emails often jason@seated.org

    Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.

    Buying great coins - monster eye appeal only.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,651 ✭✭✭✭✭
    read the last post of this thread
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  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    I always thought QC meant we are not going to commit ourselves.
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  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
    What is your understanding of a PCGS QC (questionable color) mean?

    The Nasty Bitc* has the same problem: She is constantly asking is it periwinkle blue or hydrangea blue? smoke or moth fuzz? cat butt or donkey butt…? Never ending complaints about “the perfect color to match the oriental carpet at 2pm in the afternoon on June 6th…” Allkkkkk.
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>from what I am being told it can me natural toning and QC which makes no sense at all..... >>

    I'm not sure exactly what you were told. But taking the above comment at face value, I interpret it in two possible ways: 1) A coin might have toned naturally, but that is not necessarily evident by looking at it. And the graders have to go by appearances, not what a coin's owner might know about its history. 2) A coin might possess natural toning but also have artificial toning added to it.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,797 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> 2) A coin might possess natural toning but also have artificial toning added to it. >>



    This makes sense. I read somewhere that the coin doctors get their best results by ATing coins that already have some light toning.

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  • AU58WALKERSAU58WALKERS Posts: 3,562 ✭
    i think it means that the toning could be natuarl or the same toning could be created in a lab.
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  • BaronVonBaughBaronVonBaugh Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭✭
    I have seen the QC on many different cents, even mint red ones.
    Since they don't guarantee the color of cents anymore, they should not be rejecting so many.
    I have a nice 1881 IHC that is clearly red, yet it came back QC.
    I have owned it for years and it was BB about two years ago and is still red.
    My understanding is that tampered with red cents will change color in about a year.

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,551 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To me, it means: "If we put this in a holder we will lose credibility"

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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I have seen the QC on many different cents, even mint red ones.
    Since they don't guarantee the color of cents anymore, they should not be rejecting so many.
    I have a nice 1881 IHC that is clearly red, yet it came back QC.
    I have owned it for years and it was BB about two years ago and is still red.
    My understanding is that tampered with red cents will change color in about a year. >>

    That is incorrect in a large number of cases.
  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    they have given it a grade of 91

    which is so much higher than the current system allows, they put it in a genuine slab?
  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's definitely not just artificially toned coins. They also use .91 on copper that has been recolored or otherwise artificially made to look like a RD coin.

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  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jason-

    Nothing deep going on here, it just means they aren't sure the toning occurred naturally. It's a judgment call, and their opinion is subject to change.

    I have coin "on the edge" which they bounced a couple times before crossing. Remind me to bring it to Baltimore next time.
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  • SeaEagleCoinsSeaEagleCoins Posts: 3,262 ✭


    << <i>read the last post of this thread >>




    Since it appears that "everyone" would rather expound upon what they "think" QC means... and simply blow past msmorrisine's suggestion... I will bring it up again... read DW's comments at the end of this locked thread... I think it sums the situation up quite succinctly...

    I still do not agree with their opinion some of the time... but I am just a lowly (and occasional) submitter and my opinion carries little to no weight in the open coin market...

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Evidently, some do not like to read. I believe it is quite clear. As I stated in that same thread, for those who wish to learn (and that will require reading), there are threads here from years past which clearly defined the tarnish process, from beginning to 'black'. TomB wrote an excellent one and there were others. Those that wish to learn have the tools at hand. Others who depend on third party statements and suppositions are doomed to live in the nether world of ignorance. Cheers, RickO
  • seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭
    what is odd to me is on a 34 coin submission on got 3 of these, and all in a row. I will post pictures of these coins when they return. None are worth enough money to resubmit. It is one thing to send a coin back in a lower grade holder because you don't like the way it looks but to call it not graded I think there should be a good reason.

    21 1 16772234 4683 1877-CC 10C US Genuine (91 - Questionable Color)
    22 1 16772235 4677 1875-S 10C Mintmark Above US Genuine (91 - Questionable Color)
    23 1 16772236 4674 1875-CC 10C Mintmark Below US Genuine (91 - Questionable Color)

    I seldom check PM's but do check emails often jason@seated.org

    Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.

    Buying great coins - monster eye appeal only.
  • pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭
    I bought an ANACS housed MS62 Lafayett Commem. I thought it would be better in a PCGS housing, but it came back QC. It is now ANACS MS61. The obverse seemed to have no problems where the reverse had changed to gun metal gray.
    Paul

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