My taco bell toner Morgan (one year later)

ambro51 · March 28, 2010 9:13AM

This was a rather blearly white dollar....and last year I got to messin with some cyanide...and dipped it white, and then cleaned it off well and wrapped it in a taco bell napkin, It sat underneath a stuffed bunny rabbit for one year.

I dont know if the bunny rabbit made a difference, but heres what the coin looks like now. These colors are true...

whatchathink?

joebb21 · March 28, 2010 9:16AM

AT

joebb21 · March 28, 2010 9:17AM

looks good to me.
whats the difference if its a taco bell napkin for 1 year vs a sock sitting in a draw for 100 years?

CoinCrazyPA · March 28, 2010 9:18AM

I don't like the looks of it.

Meltdown · March 28, 2010 9:18AM

That rabbit freaks me out.

Decent looking morgan though.

keepdachange · March 28, 2010 9:21AM

<< That rabbit freaks me out. >>

RYK · March 28, 2010 9:22AM

The Morgan is nothing special.

The rabbit is F-12.

coinguy1 · March 28, 2010 9:24AM

You should have shown the coin without telling the story behind it - I bet that a large % of the replies would have guessed NT.

MrSpud · March 28, 2010 9:25AM

You should have waited until Easter. The bunny wasn't done yet.

ambro51 · March 28, 2010 9:26AM

Bunny is getting his feelings hurt.

Ive had him since, maybe 3? My aunt hand sewed his little shirt. She passed away last year age 93

When I cleaned out my parents house...after they had passed, I found Bunny packed far back in the attic. I got all emotional etc etc etc.

so thats why bunny sits there on my desk.

kaz · March 28, 2010 9:32AM

Yes, I've seen the Bunny Butt toned look before, very characteristic!

Glad you found Mr. Rabbit. My daughter lost her little stuffed dog toy when she was about 3 and despite a citywide alert it never turned up. I don' think she's over it, still!

BigE · March 28, 2010 9:40AM

I think your bunny needs Depends---------------------BigE

lkeigwin · March 28, 2010 9:43AM

<< You should have shown the coin without telling the story behind it - I bet that a large % of the replies would have guessed NT. >>

I agree. Thanks for sparing the embarrassment.

I like the faceless bunny. Reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode.
Lance.

Walkerguy21D · March 28, 2010 9:45AM

I think it turned out Ok and I agree with Coinguy that not many would have guessed AT. I'm surprised at how well the toning aroud the stars filled in for a coin that had been dipped white - and the coin being a Morgan dollar, probably wasn't the first time.
Yo quiero Taco Bell!

lkeigwin · March 28, 2010 9:48AM

<< Yes, I've seen the Bunny Butt toned look before, very characteristic!

>>

Bunny Butt toning. Ha. Now that's funny.
Lance.

TwoSides2aCoin · March 28, 2010 12:27PM

<< This was a rather blearly white dollar....and last year I got to messin with some cyanide...and dipped it white, and then cleaned it off well and wrapped it in a taco bell napkin, It sat underneath a stuffed bunny rabbit for one year.

I dont know if the bunny rabbit made a difference, but heres what the coin looks like now. These colors are true...

whatchathink? >>

Where's the pancake ?

lava · March 28, 2010 1:29PM

It looks market acceptable. What does that say about the state of the market?

Shamika · March 28, 2010 1:30PM

I think the rabbit tooted on it.

BigE · March 28, 2010 1:35PM

I think the cyanide gave the coin its base color, the rims are the napkin--------------BigE

ecichlid · March 28, 2010 2:19PM

<< You should have shown the coin without telling the story behind it - I bet that a large % of the replies would have guessed NT. >>

Of course they would have.

ricko · March 28, 2010 9:59PM

Is there a doctor in the house???

Cheers, RickO

kaz · March 28, 2010 10:15PM

Let's see, if I want to find this thread in the future (note to self) search: "bunny, cyanide"

csw · March 28, 2010 10:25PM

whats the difference if its a taco bell napkin for 1 year vs a sock sitting in a draw for 100 years?

Intent.

PerryHall · March 28, 2010 11:07PM

<< whats the difference if its a taco bell napkin for 1 year vs a sock sitting in a draw for 100 years?

Intent. >>

I agree. No practical difference whatsoever.

ambro51 · March 28, 2010 11:10PM

.........Im 55, so the "100 years in a sock", that didnt seem like it would work out. "intent"...well there was no intent to fool anyone. I just wanted to see what would happen.

All in all, I think its a pretty nice Morgan, and Im really not in love with the series at all. I like the way the reverse looks. BTW, anyone want to venture a Grade?

Tdec1000 · March 28, 2010 11:19PM

First question, where the heck did you get cyanide at?

ambro51 · March 28, 2010 11:27PM

Ive been doing and teaching the wet plate photographic process from the 1850's - 1880's for about 15 years. Potassium Cyanide solution is one of the Fixers used in process.

I wont say where I get it from, but suffice to say, I understand the chemical and use it correctly. (and thats the only coin Ive ever "dipped")

ModCrewman · March 28, 2010 11:43PM

I'd totally have said NT.

Coinguy1 - so what would your response have been?

abitofthisabitofthat · March 29, 2010 1:40AM

<< 

<< whats the difference if its a taco bell napkin for 1 year vs a sock sitting in a draw for 100 years?

Intent. >>

I agree. No practical difference whatsoever. >>

There is a significant difference in the stability of the thin film that creates the toning. This coin, and most AT coins, will likely continue to tone rapidly and in a year or so will look horrid. A coin that toned over 100 years will have a much more stable layer of oxidation that, after being removed from its mildly reactive environment, will remain relatively unchanged for a very, very long time.

This importance of this difference cannot be overestimated for a collector who intends to hold their coins for a long time.

coinguy1 · March 29, 2010 1:52AM

<< I'd totally have said NT.

Coinguy1 - so what would your response have been? >>

I would have guessed NT.

PerryHall · March 29, 2010 2:03AM

How is storing a coin in a 2X2 kraft paper coin envelope any different that storing it in a paper napkin? I see no real difference so I would have to say NT or MA (market acceptable).

coinguy1 · March 29, 2010 2:14AM

<< How is storing a coin in a 2X2 kraft paper coin envelope any different that storing it in a paper napkin? I see no real difference so I would have to say NT or MA (market acceptable). >>

The main difference which matters to some people, is that one form of storage was intended for coins and the other wasn't.

Billet7 · March 29, 2010 2:16AM

I would have said NT.

I actually like the look of it now, much better than the harsh white of a cleaned coin. I realize that any alteration is considered coin doctoring, but honestly I think he did the world a favor. I love coins that look natural, and I think it has been restored to a natural look. I always felt that the problem with coin doctors is taking a coin and making it appear to be worth more than it actually is. This can be through AT, cleaning, repairing, etc. If there is really no problem with the coin (hairlines etc.) I have no issues with restoring it to a natural looking state. Either way the coin has been doctored. Is the coin MORE doctored because of the cleaning it has been through, or the restoration of the toning?

Bright cleaned coins really bother me. And no offense to the memory of the OP, but the eyeless bunny kinda freeks me out too!

anablep · March 29, 2010 2:36AM

Leave the coin, take the bunny...

19Lyds · March 29, 2010 2:40AM

<< All in all, I think its a pretty nice Morgan, and Im really not in love with the series at all. I like the way the reverse looks. BTW, anyone want to venture a Grade? >>

Uhhhhh........knowing what I know...............Genuine?

PerryHall · March 29, 2010 2:45AM

<< 

<< How is storing a coin in a 2X2 kraft paper coin envelope any different that storing it in a paper napkin? I see no real difference so I would have to say NT or MA (market acceptable). >>

The main difference which matters to some people, is that one form of storage was intended for coins and the other wasn't. >>

I know people that put dipped silver coins in kraft paper 2X2 envelopes to give them some color to subdue the effects of any cleaning. Are those coins AT due to intent?

Bochiman · March 29, 2010 2:58AM

Honestly? If the picture is accurate, it isn't a coin I would consider.
Looks subdued and "off" to me.

Now, given how some others have shown the TB napkin toning to go, there is a chance that this will look better in another year or so.
Give the bunny another chance

19Lyds · March 29, 2010 3:02AM

IMO, this whole trend towards chasing "beautifully toned" coins has absolutely no numismatic value and merely encourages folks to come up with some method for achieving that "beautiful, unmessed with" look.

I'll also state that adding "chemicals" to achieve toning is a strict no-no but I don't really have a problem with "well planned or intentional" storage and given the fact that it is extremely difficult to detect whether or not toning is "original", I'll generally pass on paying premiums for those items.

But, "It is what it is" and as long as folks are paying premiums for toned coins, then I suppose there will always be someone to satisfy that need.

crazyhounddog · March 29, 2010 3:09AM

I think it looks just as natural as can be, and quite nice to boot....

ricko · March 29, 2010 3:58AM

As long as there are those who value tarnish, it will be provided. Demand drives supply - no matter how the supply is achieved. The example shown just further supports the fact that there are far more doctored coins out there (yes, even in slabs) than anyone cares to admit. Only the most blatant (and screwed up) examples are detected. The rest are decided on 'gut feel'.... which, given today's skill level of the coin doctors, is as effective as a fart in a windstorm. Cheers, RickO

coinguy1 · March 29, 2010 4:07AM

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<< How is storing a coin in a 2X2 kraft paper coin envelope any different that storing it in a paper napkin? I see no real difference so I would have to say NT or MA (market acceptable). >>

The main difference which matters to some people, is that one form of storage was intended for coins and the other wasn't. >>

I know people that put dipped silver coins in kraft paper 2X2 envelopes to give them some color to subdue the effects of any cleaning. Are those coins AT due to intent? >>

Some feel that intent matters, while others don't. Depending upon what is done to the coin, I don't think a coin should be labeled AT, solely due to intent.

For example, one collector places a coin in an envelope or an album, without thinking or knowing it will tone. Another collector places a coin in an envelope or album because he thinks or knows it will tone. Both coins tone. I think it would be ludicrous to call one of them AT and the other NT.

BBN · March 29, 2010 8:01AM

buy the napkin. Not the coin.

CoinCrazyPA · March 29, 2010 9:47AM

<< You should have shown the coin without telling the story behind it - I bet that a large % of the replies would have guessed NT. >>

Even so I think it is still ugly!

lordmarcovan · March 29, 2010 9:50AM

The rabbit is great.

Bochiman · March 29, 2010 9:55AM

<< 

<< 

<< 

<< How is storing a coin in a 2X2 kraft paper coin envelope any different that storing it in a paper napkin? I see no real difference so I would have to say NT or MA (market acceptable). >>

The main difference which matters to some people, is that one form of storage was intended for coins and the other wasn't. >>

I know people that put dipped silver coins in kraft paper 2X2 envelopes to give them some color to subdue the effects of any cleaning. Are those coins AT due to intent? >>

Some feel that intent matters, while others don't. Depending upon what is done to the coin, I don't think a coin should be labeled AT, solely due to intent.

For example, one collector places a coin in an envelope or an album, without thinking or knowing it will tone. Another collector places a coin in an envelope or album because he thinks or knows it will tone. Both coins tone. I think it would be ludicrous to call one of them AT and the other NT. >>

I go with Mark on this. Someone "tones" a coin when they forget that it was on a tray that goes in an oven while someone else intentionally puts it on a tray to go into the oven. AT both times.

Someone "forgets" and their coins get laundered and toned (maybe they forgot to separate the whites and reds so the coins come out pink

) while someone else puts them in a white sock, ties it up, and tosses them in with a load of red items. AT both times.

Someone uses a Wayte Raymond album to store their coins because that is what they have. Someone else knows that the albums will tone a coin over time. NT both times, imho.

TwoSides2aCoin · March 29, 2010 10:01AM

<< ...but heres what the coin looks like now. These colors are true...

whatchathink? >>

when you tilt the coin, do you see iridescence ?

ambro51 · March 30, 2010 4:08AM

What you see is a good photo, I did tilt the coin just a hair, and composed the shot in the viewfinder looking for the best representation of the coin at its best.

OK. That was very Informative.

The Coin was a 1998 purchase and has been in an ANACS holder for years.

no just kidding

The Bunny Butt Toner it is, and I will dig this thread up in ONE more year, and repost.!

photog · March 30, 2010 4:35AM

<< Ive been doing and teaching the wet plate photographic process from the 1850's - 1880's for about 15 years. Potassium Cyanide solution is one of the Fixers used in process.

I wont say where I get it from, but suffice to say, I understand the chemical and use it correctly. >>

Where do you teach?

icsoccer · March 30, 2010 4:37AM

I like the rims...not to excited about the centers....
Fun Experiment!

kurtdog · March 30, 2010 4:49AM

<< I think the cyanide gave the coin its base color, the rims are the napkin--------------BigE >>

I just assumed the cyanide was a joke or some kind of euphemism for some darn thing. Where do you get that from, anyway, Ace Hardware?

BBN · March 30, 2010 6:51AM

<< 

Even so I think it is still ugly! >>

But Michael Bolten is hot!!!

My taco bell toner Morgan (one year later)

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