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Think these Franklin's will get a Plus + ?

I recently found a feller to professionally photograph some of my color Franklin's,

no enhancements, no juice , just true to life expert photo's

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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll stick to 'guessing' the grades.

    I've decided to opt out of the 'plus' guessing game.

    pretty coin though!
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 33,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ill stick with eye appeal and not guess the other stuff thank you
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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll go with "no" not enough fire on the reverse. And I think I am seeing too many contact marks on Ben's shoulder under the toning.
    My comment was for the first coin in the group, others loaded later.
    And I think with a one in seven chance at the + a 65 with contact marks on the obverse device should not get the +.

    Will add that my thoughs make it look like they fit the whole group IMO.
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    drei3reedrei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭
    No -- eye appeal.
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    mommam17mommam17 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭
    I like it.
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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Didn't they say splotchy toning was a negative?
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My understanding is that PCGS is leaving the subjective eye appeal can of worms to NGC* and CAC, while they are going to focus on grading.
    When in doubt, don't.
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    PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    .......plus ........... ? I doubt I will ever find out image
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    PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭
    My understanding is that the + plus isn't for eye appeal but for a coin that technically is almost to the next grade level, so it depends on the contact marks/luster.
    "It is what it is."
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    Why would you bother to send in what you feel is a solid coin for the grade just to see a '+' designation on the holder

    Do you buy the coin or the holder theory?

    Is this '+' thing a way to build up revenue for the family? or just a way to prove to yourself that the con(coin) is all that it should be?



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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Why would you bother to send in what you feel is a solid coin for the grade just to see a '+' designation on the holder >>



    It's not for coins which are "solid" for the grade but for coins which are close to the next grade (technically) but just not good enough.

    Why would I do it?

    Simple. I have coins which are very good for the grade but which have not upgraded. I would like them recognized for their respective "quality" by the TPG vs some unknown individual simply taking "my word for it."

    We all know that photographs can be manipulated to sometimes cloud a coins negative aspects and the sellers of these coins nearly always say the coin is "much better" than coins typically in that grade.

    The " + " slab simply validates that conclusion by a reputable TPG. Absolutely no different than assigning a grade except this time its assigning "mid-grades" which everybody does anyway.

    This particular offering has been long over due IMO and PCGS will not be the only horse in the race in a few months. I even expect the garage slabbers will start doing it simply because " + " coins are going to add value.
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    << <i>Why would you bother to send in what you feel is a solid coin for the grade just to see a '+' designation on the holder >>



    It's not for coins which are "solid" for the grade but for coins which are close to the next grade (technically) but just not good enough.

    Why would I do it?

    Simple. I have coins which are very good for the grade but which have not upgraded. I would like them recognized for their respective "quality" by the TPG vs some unknown individual simply taking "my word for it."

    We all know that photographs can be manipulated to sometimes cloud a coins negative aspects and the sellers of these coins nearly always say the coin is "much better" than coins typically in that grade.

    The " + " slab simply validates that conclusion by a reputable TPG. Absolutely no different than assigning a grade except this time its assigning "mid-grades" which everybody does anyway.

    This particular offering has been long over due IMO and PCGS will not be the only horse in the race in a few months. I even expect the garage slabbers will start doing it simply because " + " coins are going to add value. >>



    Lee- this is an absolute waste of money - if the seller is not happy with the item you are selling at a fair price do you think that having this slabbed as a "+" will make it even more valuable?

    In my opinion- the "+" is a market ploy and will soon be inundated with junk and everyone but his mother (who said to never lie) will be selling all there old PCGS coins as potential "+" coins worth there weight in gold and so forth and so on.

    This was not the big one as I had nor many imagined it to be- lasering of a coin- well if in fact it can be done to detect counter-fitting and artificial toning- would be great- but who built this program to do such?

    I'll go back to the old method- look at the coin- if I like it for the price called- i may buy it, if it inflated due to the "+" symbol- it will stay on the block.

    This game of keeping PCGS in the black is getting old- they really need to come up with an real innovation to and fopr the collector. not market scams..

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    MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 9,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Every one of those Franklins are beautiful. I love the accurate looking photo's also. image
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    Nice pix... real nice coins.
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    mdwoodsmdwoods Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭
    Lovely coins, hard to grade that fine from pics you really need to have the coins in hand and be a lot better grader than most.
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    RebelRonRebelRon Posts: 544 ✭✭
    Like butter! image
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    COALPORTERCOALPORTER Posts: 2,900 ✭✭
    I thought coins had to be CLASSIC AND ULTRA RARE and have BIG price jumps to get a plus ?
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    BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    I think I'll wait to see what gets plussed for a while before guessing and just say I like all of them. image
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    deltadimemandeltadimeman Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭
    all plus ++ coins in my book !! why do you like 54's ?
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    ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All nice coins, and you DON'T need need a $, I mean a + to signify those coins are nice. I'm sorry, but I really don't understand why there is an extra + on the fee just to get a + on your coin? Shouldn't that be part of the normal grading fee?

    The secure part and other stuff, I understand.
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    SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,598 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dayummmm!!! Those be some Sa-weeeeeet Franklins, PP!!! image

    I'm glad you finally got some of your coins imaged properly. Let's see some more (pretty please with sugar on top?!).

    Nice going.
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    bennybravobennybravo Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭
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    rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭
    Nice 49D!!!!
    "You keep your 1804 dollar and 1822 half eagle -- give me rainbow roosies in MS68."
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    fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    I think a couple may make it, but not most. I really like the the first 52 D

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    PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845


    << <i>all plus ++ coins in my book !! why do you like 54's ? >>



    Dimeman , twenty years ago I made up my mind to buy all the colored MS65 PCGS coins of one date that I could find ;

    with the idea to corner the market on that particular date - my birth year was to common I thought ......

    and the '54 seemed to have the greatest potential as the D mints were pretty expensive and I felt the S mints would prove too common .

    So I hoarded the 1954-P , and bought and bought , and then I bought more !

    I can say I lost a bunch of money doing that as the price basically steadily declined for the past 2 decades !

    But if the price of the '54 ever shoots up ................image
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    PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845


    << <i>I think a couple may make it, but not most. I really like the the first 52 D >>



    ........that coin came to me from Pat Braddick via R. Tomaska ........... got bent over for .........err ...I mean ......

    I purchased that one for a cool 1500$ ! !
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    CoinyCoiny Posts: 711 ✭✭
    Beauties... Paul!
    Franklins are going UPPPPPP in value as the economy rebounds!
    Great investment idea Paul.
    Buy low, sell high!
    Coiny
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    PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ahh... I was waiting for you to post the 56 and that Kennedy. Nice bunch of halves!
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    I would not be able to say, no experiance with the plus yet.
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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like the 59.I think your kennedy got luckyimage
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    PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    The '59 is a treasure indeed.

    the Kennedy was holdered some 15 years ago
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    PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    I am going to take down my pix here - and get them back up without the printed grades ;

    when I added the color PCGS/Grade label's @ Photobucket to the images ,it changed their contrast ........however subtle , I want them portrayed exactly as John

    (Messydesk) photographed them . He did an absolutely fantastic job and would highly recommend his services .

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