Coin Doctor for my Gobrecht?
Alltheabove76
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Allen Stockton has a great reputation for quality work are there any others who can fix a damaged coin?
I bought a Gobrecht Dollar and its got some pretty messed up fields. This coin is one I never expected to own and even in the heavily damaged state that it is in, it was still a lot of money. I would like to send it to an expert to restore it.
I bought a Gobrecht Dollar and its got some pretty messed up fields. This coin is one I never expected to own and even in the heavily damaged state that it is in, it was still a lot of money. I would like to send it to an expert to restore it.
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Sorry I can't help with a recommendation. I'm not sure I would want any more "work" done to it, though.
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<< <i>The signature line is appalling. Buying damaged coins and then having them worked on will only aggravate the already notable problem with tooled coins in the marketplace. >>
I respectfully disagree. This is the kind of "doctoring" that should be done. We are not talking about artificially toning or attempting to undo a cleaning. We are talking about fixing damage that was done to a treasure of a coin. This falls under restoration and the purpose is not for me to resale and fool anyone. I just want to look at my coin and see it as it was supposed to be seen before some 19th century vandal did this.
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<< <i>The signature line is appalling. Buying damaged coins and then having them worked on will only aggravate the already notable problem with tooled coins in the marketplace. >>
I personally have NO problem with that coin being restored whatsoever, so long as that coin ends up right back in a Details/Genuine holder showing repaired/tooled/etc
If I were Speety, I'd have that 70-S dollar restored, and of course would have it holdered as such.
DON'T MESS WITH IT!
Better to have an original "damaged" coin than a tinkered-with piece! That's contemporary damage. The graffiti is part of the history of that coin (and O, What A Coin It Is- and what a history, no doubt!)
OK, the fields are a bit messed up, but even if some buffing or tooling or other trickery is used, they're still gonna be messed up.
I'll take 19th century messed-up over 21st century messed-up any day.
Please tell me you won't be having a doctor (no matter how skilled) playing with that.
(Edit/PS- I have no idea why this prompted such a knee-jerk reaction in me. I'm a little bit surprised. Of course I see it from your point of view, too, and totally understand the desire to repair it. I still disagree with that notion, but I do see both sides on the issue.)
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<< <i>That coin probably had a very interesting 19th Century inscription >>
You mean, in the fields, where the scrubbing was done? Interesting. Is that true, ATA76? Do you have closeups? How intriguing.
I suspect the same might be true of my 1860 $3, in the same area of the fields, in front of the face. It looks as though there had once been something engraved or punched there, which was later obliterated.
Of course I would much rather that this engraving or counterstamp, whatever it was, had remained intact, instead of being so harshly removed. In fact, now that the shoe is on the other foot, I could see where I would be almost tempted to have that area doctored, if this were a more valuable or visually appealing coin. I wouldn't want the hole fixed, though- it fits my whole "holey" schtick and makes a nice front-and-center piece on my trademark Holey Gold Hat. If it had initials or a surviving counterstamp, I would never want them repaired, and would consider them a plus and not a minus, since the coin is already "damaged goods" anyway. (There is plain old damage and there is interesting damage, if you knowhutimean.)
I'll amend my earlier cries of anguish slightly (only very slightly) to say that if you want to get those field scuffs worked on, OK by me, but don't remove the N. Y. initials. They could end up having a very fascinating historical connection, and on something so rare as a Gobrecht dollar, that connection might actually be traceable.
Aren't you glad I'm giving you "permission" to have part of your coin worked on?
(I also worry that doctoring would change the color of the coin slightly, and I like its current grey look, original or not.)
Personally, I would enjoy it for what it is, and not have anything more done. Anything more would take away from it's current state, no matter how well done, and to me that is another layer of "originality" gone.
In fact I would free it and just keep a pciture of it in the slab, and the tag.
But that's me ... it's your coin.
Whatever you decide to do, take care of it as you see best ... and thanks for sharing it ... a true treasure.
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Congrats on a great coin!
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<< <i>The signature line is appalling. Buying damaged coins and then having them worked on will only aggravate the already notable problem with tooled coins in the marketplace. >>
I personally have NO problem with that coin being restored whatsoever, so long as that coin ends up right back in a Details/Genuine holder showing repaired/tooled/etc
If I were Speety, I'd have that 70-S dollar restored, and of course would have it holdered as such. >>
We have gone back and forth on this many times. Since it's not going anywhere for a LONG time, we have plenty of time to have the coin restored if we decide to in the future
I didnt think I would ever own one of these. Such a tough coin. I cant wait to get it in hand.
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the label says repaired already
since you have the coin in hand, can you see anything done already and describe it?
has anything been done by the rim at 4 o'clock?
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Contemporary counterstamps are indeed cool and part of a coin's history. Scratched up fields? No, those look nasty IMO and ruin the eye appeal of the coin to me. I would much rather have one in a "VF Details - Repaired" holder than in a "VF Details - Gouged" holder.
Again though, when I looked at this coin and bid on it, I wanted to leave it as is. Frankly I thought it added character and history to the coin.
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99.9% of the people here would not be able to detect that it has been repaired, of course PCGS would not know either.
Bottom line is your own PCGS coins might have been repaired and you'll absolutely never know it.
<< <i>Let me clarify. I despise coin doctoring, however, to me, this isn't doctoring.
Contemporary counterstamps are indeed cool and part of a coin's history. Scratched up fields? No, those look nasty IMO and ruin the eye appeal of the coin to me. I would much rather have one in a "VF Details - Repaired" holder than in a "VF Details - Gouged" holder. >>
I am with you. The counterstamp is something that gives the coin charachter, nasty scratched up surfaces are just....well nasty.
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Utah, How much does he charge for work like that?
It is a shame if that Gobrecht was ruined by someone who thought they were helping the coin by destroying the engraving in such a crude manner. Of course, it could have been done by a scorned lover. Nowadays, a coin doctor can really enhance that coin and make it look very desirable. Also, if the NY can be removed without a trace, I'd say go for it. If not, I guess Nemo Yankovic could have owned it in 1850.