Very detailed images of PCGS fake slab on eBay

kaz · March 24, 2010 10:53AM

A diligent member of the Coin Forgery eBay group brought this to our attention, what appears to be a genuine 1882-O Morgan in a fake MS 66 graded PCGS slab! View the scam item here: Link to fake slab

and link to Heritage auction of the real thing: H.A. auction link

So here we have what appears to be a genuine, lower grade coin in a fake holder; and on the other thread going now, a fake '93-cc in a fake holder. I really hope the upcoming 'big one' deals with security!

(Thanks for fixing the link, T.C.)

TorinoCobra71 · March 24, 2010 11:01AM

<< A diligent member of the Coin Forgery eBay group brought this to our attention, what appears to be a genuine 1882-O Morgan in a fake MS 66 graded PCGS slab! View the scam item here: Link to fake slab

and link to Heritage auction of the real thing: H.A. auction link

So here we have what appears to be a genuine, lower grade coin in a fake holder; and on the other thread going now, a fake '93-cc in a fake holder. I really hope the upcoming 'big one' deals with security! >>

Fixed Link

coinguy1 · March 24, 2010 11:02AM

<< A diligent member of the Coin Forgery eBay group brought this to our attention, what appears to be a genuine 1882-O Morgan in a fake MS 66 graded PCGS slab! View the scam item here: Link to fake slab

and link to Heritage auction of the real thing: H.A. auction link

So here we have what appears to be a genuine, lower grade coin in a fake holder; and on the other thread going now, a fake '93-cc in a fake holder. I really hope the upcoming 'big one' deals with security! >>

Has the seller been notified?

Rampage · March 24, 2010 11:06AM

Mark, I sent this email to the seller:

"FYI, this coin is in a counterfeit PCGS slab. Check out the real coin and slab in Heritage Auctions Lot number 4514. It was sold at the January 2009 FUN show in Orlando for about $4600. Hopefully you can resolve this problem with whomever you bought this coin from.

I just wanted to inform you so you did not run into problems later.

Kindest regards."

19Lyds · March 24, 2010 11:09AM

<< A diligent member of the Coin Forgery eBay group brought this to our attention, what appears to be a genuine 1882-O Morgan in a fake MS 66 graded PCGS slab! View the scam item here: Link to fake slab

and link to Heritage auction of the real thing: H.A. auction link

So here we have what appears to be a genuine, lower grade coin in a fake holder; and on the other thread going now, a fake '93-cc in a fake holder. I really hope the upcoming 'big one' deals with security! >>

"The Big One" cannot address what's already been done........................... only what WILL be done.

coinguy1 · March 24, 2010 11:10AM

<< Mark, I sent this email to the seller:

"FYI, this coin is in a counterfeit PCGS slab. Check out the real coin and slab in Heritage Auctions Lot number 4514. It was sold at the January 2009 FUN show in Orlando for about $4600. Hopefully you can resolve this problem with whomever you bought this coin from.

I just wanted to inform you so you did not run into problems later.

Kindest regards." >>

Thanks - that was a nice way to send the message without accusing the seller of anything intentional. I will do th same. I have already notified PCGS, who generally has a lot more pull with Ebay than we do on such matters.

AUandAG · March 24, 2010 11:13AM

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<< A diligent member of the Coin Forgery eBay group brought this to our attention, what appears to be a genuine 1882-O Morgan in a fake MS 66 graded PCGS slab! View the scam item here: Link to fake slab

and link to Heritage auction of the real thing: H.A. auction link

So here we have what appears to be a genuine, lower grade coin in a fake holder; and on the other thread going now, a fake '93-cc in a fake holder. I really hope the upcoming 'big one' deals with security! >>

Has the seller been notified? >>

Yes, I've emailed him and we'll see what he says. I too, always give the benefit of doubt with 100% feedback sellers.
bob

gsaguy · March 24, 2010 11:16AM

Geez, why not at least spring for the bucks to buy a decent coin in 65 before going to all the trouble to encapsulate an obvious smoldering pile of dung? A decent 5 might pass muster.

DoubleEagle59 · March 24, 2010 11:49AM

<< Geez, why not at least spring for the bucks to buy a decent coin in 65 before going to all the trouble to encapsulate an obvious smoldering pile of dung? A decent 5 might pass muster. >>

because these 'fakers' don't want to pay a cent for their cr*p.

cheezhed · March 24, 2010 11:51AM

I was going to post images of this coin a couple of days ago without the grade and have people render their opinions.

The thought didn't cross my mind of a fake slab.

SUMORADA · March 24, 2010 12:14PM

Great thread, I just looked at the pic, other then the obivious wrong grade...look at the bottom of the label, the barcode runs over the ridge in the slab.....

sinin1 · March 24, 2010 12:29PM

seller sold a gold $10 recently in a NNC - reverse looks odd

cmerlo1 · March 24, 2010 1:07PM

Nice work!

My first thought upon seeing that coin, fake slab or not is "man, that grade was a gift."

Then I would hit the 'back' button and keep looking...

coinguy1 · March 25, 2010 1:22AM

Has anyone who contacted the seller received a reply yet? I haven't.

Smittys · March 25, 2010 1:30AM

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Rampage · March 25, 2010 7:49AM

<< Has anyone who contacted the seller received a reply yet? I haven't. >>

I have not gotten a reply either Mark. I am a bit concerned about that now.

coinguy1 · March 25, 2010 7:52AM

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<< Has anyone who contacted the seller received a reply yet? I haven't. >>

I have not gotten a reply either Mark. I am a bit concerned about that now. >>

PCGS has contacted Ebay about it, so hopefully the listing will be pulled. Still, if the seller is set on selling the coin anyway, there probably isn't anything that can be done about it. In the back of mind, I think I have a memory of the same coin and counterfeit holder having appeared on Ebay once before.

AUandAG · March 25, 2010 11:56AM

Ya know something. We just have to collect for the pleasure of collecting. Trying to help the hobby by
doing what's right doesn't pay.

In regards to this coin I sent a pleasant note to PCGS to check it out with the Heritage sale. Mentioned
that their slab was being counterfeited and a sub par coin inserted.

Well, I got a response from PCGS saying that they checked out the database and the numbers are correct!

YEAH, don't bother checking Heritage or having someone look at the coin in the slab. Just grade the slab!

I'm done. You are all big boys, you are on your own. Mark, take over. Utah, take over. Kaz, take over, etc.

bob

edited: I never got a reply from the seller but the listing has ended without selling.

sinin1 · March 25, 2010 12:10PM

that won't be a problem now the BIG ONE has been introduced

soon, for only $50K and a $3K monthly access fee, you will be able to buy your own box
so that you can insert the picture of tyhe eBay coin

and all features of the coin will checked with the coin databade at PCGS to see that it actually has been PLUS graded

oops, just kidding

you need to talk to someone at PCGS who knows the problems I guess

kaz · March 25, 2010 12:23PM

The listing ended "naturally," not pulled and with no takers. Look for it again at an online auction near you!!

rooksmith · March 25, 2010 1:07PM

yikes -- this should be a warning to blind bidding idiots on ebay (like myself) who trusted the PCGS slab security. No wonder the "big one"

sinin1 · March 25, 2010 1:14PM

the big one does not protect collectors/inbestors

from buying garbage does it?

notwilight · March 25, 2010 1:36PM

<< Great thread, I just looked at the pic, other then the obivious wrong grade...look at the bottom of the label, the barcode runs over the ridge in the slab.....

>>

That is quite normal. the slab looks pretty darned good. I wonder if this is a real slab that has been open or otherwise tamper with. Perhaps real slab, fake label, lower grade coin.

Ebay may still pull it, for what good that will do.

--Jerry

panexpoguy · September 8, 2013 3:31AM

Many thanks to the individual who compiled all of those images. I am chiefly a postal history collector and have a good deal of knowledge about the alterations and fakes in that hobby and how to identify them. Coins is something I also do, but irregularly. I had educated myself on the fake slabs from China (or I thought I had) but I can see that the issue is more extensive than I had understood. So I took a good look at the slabs I happen to have at home (some of my Peace dollars) and noted that there are fake 23's on the list. I have a 22 D that is in a holder that is just a little 'different'. Maybe it is just a different variation that is fine. But I have looked at the articles on the fakes and am not sure about this one. I can try to post an image of the slab. I checked HA and there is no record of it at auction, the cert verifies on PCGS who also show no auction records. Just curious as I assume a very good fake would surpass my knowledge. Suggestions? Thanks!

DorkGirl · September 8, 2013 8:38AM

My only advice is to look at as many coins as you can. Go to a shop or a show and spend a lot of time looking. It's one of the best ways to learn.

MsMorrisine · September 8, 2013 8:47AM

Get a really strong magnet to test the coin, but even if it passes that is no guarantee.

There are some excellent labels out there that would fool many, but many are obvious.

Get a photobucket account and post photos from there using the IMG tag method instead of attachments.

Cellphone photos are surprisingly good. Just get them in good lighting & shoot the label, too.

Very detailed images of PCGS fake slab on eBay

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