Very detailed images of PCGS fake slab on eBay
kaz
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A diligent member of the Coin Forgery eBay group brought this to our attention, what appears to be a genuine 1882-O Morgan in a fake MS 66 graded PCGS slab! View the scam item here: Link to fake slab
and link to Heritage auction of the real thing: H.A. auction link
So here we have what appears to be a genuine, lower grade coin in a fake holder; and on the other thread going now, a fake '93-cc in a fake holder. I really hope the upcoming 'big one' deals with security!
(Thanks for fixing the link, T.C.)
and link to Heritage auction of the real thing: H.A. auction link
So here we have what appears to be a genuine, lower grade coin in a fake holder; and on the other thread going now, a fake '93-cc in a fake holder. I really hope the upcoming 'big one' deals with security!
(Thanks for fixing the link, T.C.)
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<< <i>A diligent member of the Coin Forgery eBay group brought this to our attention, what appears to be a genuine 1882-O Morgan in a fake MS 66 graded PCGS slab! View the scam item here: Link to fake slab
and link to Heritage auction of the real thing: H.A. auction link
So here we have what appears to be a genuine, lower grade coin in a fake holder; and on the other thread going now, a fake '93-cc in a fake holder. I really hope the upcoming 'big one' deals with security! >>
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<< <i>A diligent member of the Coin Forgery eBay group brought this to our attention, what appears to be a genuine 1882-O Morgan in a fake MS 66 graded PCGS slab! View the scam item here: Link to fake slab
and link to Heritage auction of the real thing: H.A. auction link
So here we have what appears to be a genuine, lower grade coin in a fake holder; and on the other thread going now, a fake '93-cc in a fake holder. I really hope the upcoming 'big one' deals with security! >>
Has the seller been notified?
"FYI, this coin is in a counterfeit PCGS slab. Check out the real coin and slab in Heritage Auctions Lot number 4514. It was sold at the January 2009 FUN show in Orlando for about $4600. Hopefully you can resolve this problem with whomever you bought this coin from.
I just wanted to inform you so you did not run into problems later.
Kindest regards."
<< <i>A diligent member of the Coin Forgery eBay group brought this to our attention, what appears to be a genuine 1882-O Morgan in a fake MS 66 graded PCGS slab! View the scam item here: Link to fake slab
and link to Heritage auction of the real thing: H.A. auction link
So here we have what appears to be a genuine, lower grade coin in a fake holder; and on the other thread going now, a fake '93-cc in a fake holder. I really hope the upcoming 'big one' deals with security! >>
"The Big One" cannot address what's already been done........................... only what WILL be done.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Mark, I sent this email to the seller:
"FYI, this coin is in a counterfeit PCGS slab. Check out the real coin and slab in Heritage Auctions Lot number 4514. It was sold at the January 2009 FUN show in Orlando for about $4600. Hopefully you can resolve this problem with whomever you bought this coin from.
I just wanted to inform you so you did not run into problems later.
Kindest regards." >>
Thanks - that was a nice way to send the message without accusing the seller of anything intentional. I will do th same. I have already notified PCGS, who generally has a lot more pull with Ebay than we do on such matters.
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<< <i>A diligent member of the Coin Forgery eBay group brought this to our attention, what appears to be a genuine 1882-O Morgan in a fake MS 66 graded PCGS slab! View the scam item here: Link to fake slab
and link to Heritage auction of the real thing: H.A. auction link
So here we have what appears to be a genuine, lower grade coin in a fake holder; and on the other thread going now, a fake '93-cc in a fake holder. I really hope the upcoming 'big one' deals with security! >>
Has the seller been notified? >>
Yes, I've emailed him and we'll see what he says. I too, always give the benefit of doubt with 100% feedback sellers.
bob
<< <i>Geez, why not at least spring for the bucks to buy a decent coin in 65 before going to all the trouble to encapsulate an obvious smoldering pile of dung? A decent 5 might pass muster. >>
because these 'fakers' don't want to pay a cent for their cr*p.
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
The thought didn't cross my mind of a fake slab.
Great thread, I just looked at the pic, other then the obivious wrong grade...look at the bottom of the label, the barcode runs over the ridge in the slab.....
My first thought upon seeing that coin, fake slab or not is "man, that grade was a gift."
Then I would hit the 'back' button and keep looking...
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<< <i>Has anyone who contacted the seller received a reply yet? I haven't. >>
I have not gotten a reply either Mark. I am a bit concerned about that now.
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<< <i>Has anyone who contacted the seller received a reply yet? I haven't. >>
I have not gotten a reply either Mark. I am a bit concerned about that now. >>
PCGS has contacted Ebay about it, so hopefully the listing will be pulled. Still, if the seller is set on selling the coin anyway, there probably isn't anything that can be done about it. In the back of mind, I think I have a memory of the same coin and counterfeit holder having appeared on Ebay once before.
doing what's right doesn't pay.
In regards to this coin I sent a pleasant note to PCGS to check it out with the Heritage sale. Mentioned
that their slab was being counterfeited and a sub par coin inserted.
Well, I got a response from PCGS saying that they checked out the database and the numbers are correct!
YEAH, don't bother checking Heritage or having someone look at the coin in the slab. Just grade the slab!
I'm done. You are all big boys, you are on your own. Mark, take over. Utah, take over. Kaz, take over, etc.
bob
edited: I never got a reply from the seller but the listing has ended without selling.
soon, for only $50K and a $3K monthly access fee, you will be able to buy your own box
so that you can insert the picture of tyhe eBay coin
and all features of the coin will checked with the coin databade at PCGS to see that it actually has been PLUS graded
oops, just kidding
you need to talk to someone at PCGS who knows the problems I guess
from buying garbage does it?
<< <i>Great thread, I just looked at the pic, other then the obivious wrong grade...look at the bottom of the label, the barcode runs over the ridge in the slab..... >>
That is quite normal. the slab looks pretty darned good. I wonder if this is a real slab that has been open or otherwise tamper with. Perhaps real slab, fake label, lower grade coin.
Ebay may still pull it, for what good that will do.
--Jerry
My only advice is to look at as many coins as you can. Go to a shop or a show and spend a lot of time looking. It's one of the best ways to learn.
There are some excellent labels out there that would fool many, but many are obvious.
Get a photobucket account and post photos from there using the IMG tag method instead of attachments.
Cellphone photos are surprisingly good. Just get them in good lighting & shoot the label, too.