1868 large cent --- yes, 1868!

Copper collectors: Do you consider the pattern large cent of 1868 (Judd-610 in nickel, and Judd-611 in copper) to be a collectible member of the series? Or does your collection end with the last Braided Hair cent of the regular series (1857)?
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Dwayne F. Sessom
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(Ambro is putting together a run of Gold Dollars but i will wager that he does not consider Judd 67/Pollock 70 from 1836 to be the start of that series)
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I would not view this pattern as anything that a large cent collector would view as a “requirement” for a complete large cent collection.
<< <i>Patterns are never considered part of a regular series. >>
But some --- I'm thinking of various transitional patterns here --- are popularly collected alongside their regular-issue brethren.
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<< <i>Not to be a killjoy but I saw the auction >>
What auction? If it's an eBay auction for an 1868 large cent (especially if the origin is China!), I'll lay favorable odds it's a fake.
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Some dime type collectors such as myself prize the J-647 which is the 10c pattern in which the obverse is the design of the pre 1857 large cent and as such is a unique dime design for type purposes.
I am not aware of cent type collectors having the same view of the J-610 pattern since it is not a different design than other cent designs.
That was the auction I had in mind. It is stamped COPY but wasnt sure this was the coin the post is referring too.
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Just how should these 1860's era fantasy patterns be viewed?
BTW here is my example of the 10 cent pattern in cupro-nickel:
One of my favourite pieces in my collection for many reasons - I wanted one since reading about them in a coin magazine when I was about 8-9 years old.
About 2-3 years ago, we had one of those 1868 Large Cent patterns in stock. So -- at a show, I walked it over to a very prominent large cent specialist dealer, a gent who has helped build literally hundreds of large cent collections in the past few decades, and a good friend of ours.
I showed him our coin (it was PCGS slabbed, but I don't remember the grade). He stared at it in amazement. He had never seen one before. He must have looked at it with a glass for 5 minutes. He said he knew nothing about it, but he wanted to buy it for his personal collection.
Then -- I told him what it would cost him. That changed his mind
He said he couldn't justify tying up his own funds for an item like that. But -- he was blown away by it.
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