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Do you look at how much value a dealer produces for you, or do you just look at the coins themselves

LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
I was summoned to The Man's corner office yesterday afternoon. Fearing that I might be canned on the spot, I started sweating bullets. To my delight, The Man handed me a big proverbial box of money and said, "Longacre, you produce a lot more value for this place than I can possibly give you with this box of money. But that's a good position to be in." Uncertain of how to respond, I simply stepped backwards out of his office, while offering repeated low bows as I crossed the threshold into the hallway, and scurried back to my office.

In the coin context, I never looked at coin dealers from the perspective of the "value proposition" and what they bring to a transaction. Thinking about it some more, I find that I tend to select coin dealers from the point of view of not merely the coins that they offer, but from the fact that the amount of value that I get from the relationship, their contacts, and their insights, far outweighs the price of the coins.

Do you view your preferred dealers the same way, or do you view them just as a means to obtain coins? For the dealers, do you do enough to remind your clients that you add far more value to transactions than the mere price that is on the coin? Should prices reflect this value that is not so obvious to all collectors?
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  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    For some collectors, a dealer adds no value. Not that the dealer CAN'T, but some collectors just don't want to be any more involved than "How much?" then pass or play. So for those collectors, dealers don't add value because they aren't given the opportunity. Or perhaps the sufficiently advanced collectors have all the information they feel they need. I notice that some collectors believe everything that issues from a dealer's mouth is motivated by making a sale right now. That's no doubt true in some cases but not in all.

    The first time a dealer told me "that's not for you" when I inquired about a coin really opened my eyes to dealer "value-added". I had never imagined a situation where a dealer would steer me away from a coin.

    While I don't buy many coins, I certainly prefer to work with dealers who are friendly, willing to share knowledge and insights, and are courteous to everyone. Not that price is irrelevant, but I haven't found a good price and the above attributes are mutually exclusive either.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    I prefer my dealers to be lazy; that means they don't bother to check their coins for varieties and spend too much time looking at graysheets for prices. That way I get to cherry pick for under appreciated material.
    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I won’t pay a huge premium to a dealer who has helped me in the past, but I’ll always give him the first shot at selling a coin to me. It also helps when a dealer gets to know what you like and can filter out the crap and not waste you time and money with the “let’s see if it sticks” stuff. For that I will pay a small premium.

    I’ve bought expensive coins from dealers I do not like, but that’s the exception, not the rule. Most of the time dealers who have not treated me well in the past don’t see much of me in the future.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • RedTigerRedTiger Posts: 5,608
    I'm not sure about value, however, when I make my now annual visit to the big Long Beach coin show, I look closely at the inventory of about five dealers. The inventory of the other dealers, I mostly quickly glance over. Perhaps, if they look new to the show, I'll take a closer look, vs. someone I recognize as a show regular. Fair or unfair, that's what happens.

    Now that may not add much value, because I tend to look for average coins at average prices. I tend to shun the high end, superb for the grade coins that are priced accordingly, that many others seem to covet. Why? Because I am an average grader, and can not fairly determine if a coin is indeed superb for the grade. I'm doing well if I get the grade correct. The illusion of the finer distinctions of top 10% or top 20% for the grade, are for the most part beyond my skills.

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