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Altered Surfaces: Code 94

BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,625 ✭✭✭✭✭
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What all can it mean?
Puttied
What else?

What types of things for silver coins vs gold coins?

I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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  • SilverEagles92SilverEagles92 Posts: 6,787 ✭
    Would whizzing fit into this category?
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  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,467 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Copper that's been messed with, like this one:

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  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    thumbed
    frosted
    acid etched
    graffitti
    tooled
    razer bladed


    I guess a couple of the above covered by other codes
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 44,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dipped in Cheez-Whiz and subsequently licked to an unnatural shine by a Yorkshire terrier?

    Or a cat's tongue. Raspy things, those cat tongues. Could really mess up a Cheez-Whizzed coin.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For silver coins, I would think the major alteration would be tooling. Cheers, RickO
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,057 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>thumbed
    frosted
    acid etched
    graffitti
    tooled
    razer bladed


    I guess a couple of the above covered by other codes >>



    What is "razer bladed"?



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  • ModernDollarNutModernDollarNut Posts: 886
    Anything that moves metal. Rob
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  • ThePennyLadyThePennyLady Posts: 4,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The most common "altered surface" coins I see are ones that have HAIRLINES from being harshly cleaned. Tooled (etched coins, graffiti) and artificial toning (dipped, messed with) have their own PCGS genuine code designation.
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Below is the list of PCGS no-grade codes. Based on the no-grade coins I have observed, my belief is that the largest % of no-grades are due to the application of various substances (putty, grease, chemicals, artificial frost, etc.) to their surfaces. Presumably other types of alterations would include things such as lasering, tooling, whizzing, etc. I am also under the impression that "altered surfaces" is sometimes used to denote coins that have been cleaned in some unknown fashion and have odd appearances.


    No Grade Description Printed Description Holdered
    82 Filed Rims
    83 Peeling Lamination
    84 Holed and Plugged
    90 Not Genuine
    91 Questionable Color
    92 Cleaning
    93 Planchet Flaw
    94 Altered Surfaces
    95 Scratch / Rim Dent
    96 Refund - No Service
    97 Environmental Damages
    98 Damage
    99 PVC Residue
    98 Damage No Yes
    99 PVC Residue No No





    << <i>Anything that moves metal. Rob >>

    "Altered surfaces" is definitely not restricted to movement of metal. In fact, most coins that I have seen designated "altered surfaces" have not had metal moved.




    << <i>

    << <i>thumbed
    frosted
    acid etched
    graffitti
    tooled
    razer bladed


    I guess a couple of the above covered by other codes >>



    What is "razer bladed"? >>

    Razor blades have been used for things such as creating full bands on non-full band dimes.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Dipped in Cheez-Whiz and subsequently licked to an unnatural shine by a Yorkshire terrier?

    Or a cat's tongue. Raspy things, those cat tongues. Could really mess up a Cheez-Whizzed coin. >>



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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    >>

    What is "razer bladed"? >>

    Razor blades have been used for things such as creating full bands on non-full band dimes. >>



    Isn't that called tooling? And is thumbing really that bad, has is it different that circulation or conserving at NCS, yes it is altering the coin a little and moving dirt around and added some oil to gloss it but I am pretty sure most people cannot tell and would like the coin better for it. I think it is far less drastic then dipping-just my 2c.

  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i> >>

    What is "razer bladed"? >>

    Razor blades have been used for things such as creating full bands on non-full band dimes. >>



    Isn't that called tooling? And is thumbing really that bad, has is it different that circulation or conserving at NCS, yes it is altering the coin a little and moving dirt around and added some oil to gloss it but I am pretty sure most people cannot tell and would like the coin better for it. I think it is far less drastic then dipping-just my 2c. >>

    Yes, "razor blading" is a form of tooling. I was merely answering the poster's question. Thumbing takes on varying degrees but it typically masks flaws. I wish the grading companies were less forgiving up it, not more forgiving.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,057 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What is "razer bladed"? >>

    Razor blades have been used for things such as creating full bands on non-full band dimes. >>



    I've heard of X-acto knives being used but never a razor blade.

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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>What is "razer bladed"? >>

    Razor blades have been used for things such as creating full bands on non-full band dimes. >>



    I've heard of X-acto knives being used but never a razor blade. >>



    isn't a x-acto knife just a razor blade with a shaft
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,057 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>What is "razer bladed"? >>

    Razor blades have been used for things such as creating full bands on non-full band dimes. >>



    I've heard of X-acto knives being used but never a razor blade. >>



    isn't a x-acto knife just a razor blade with a shaft >>



    No. I would call it a scalpel for hobbyists.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>What is "razer bladed"? >>

    Razor blades have been used for things such as creating full bands on non-full band dimes. >>



    I've heard of X-acto knives being used but never a razor blade. >>



    isn't a x-acto knife just a razor blade with a shaft >>



    No. I would call it a scalpel for hobbyists. >>



    lol, I concede, your way is better

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