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A walk down Jefferson memory lane with a 1989 population report
sinin1
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I mostly collect Jeffersons and got a September 1, 1989 PCGS for kicks and giggles and to see how PCGS has grown and what was getting slabbed back then.
the following is a pic of the early Jeffersons
the darker 3 columns are for 63 64 65
only 3 Jefferson nickels graded in MS67 for entire series
the highest I found was (19558) MS64 1881-S Morgan dollars which is a large chunk of the 140707 MS64 Morgans certified at that time
the following is a pic of the early Jeffersons
the darker 3 columns are for 63 64 65
only 3 Jefferson nickels graded in MS67 for entire series
the highest I found was (19558) MS64 1881-S Morgan dollars which is a large chunk of the 140707 MS64 Morgans certified at that time
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Wow, it almost looks like a few collectors sent their sets in for grading along with some of their nice extras. Also, somebody must have found a roll with a bunch of 1943/2's? Look at the pops for this one!
I would like to see the first few Pop Reports when they started designating FS and Rev38 and Rev40. I would also like to see how many coins from 1939-P/D/S got classified as Rev38 when they started distinguishing the two step types? The pops on the Rev38s are dead wrong, as all the previously graded coins all went to Rev38 PCGS# when we know most of them were probably Rev40 coins.
How many old Pop Reports can you get your hands on? I'll send you a PM with something I'm working on.
Dowgie
in 1989, submissions were restricted to dealers I think
and I would guess not many Jeffersons were worth more than $50
hope this thread doesn't get poofed for posting pop report information
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if i'm not mistaken, when PCGS first started to differentiate between the two Reverse Types they moved all of them to the "Reverse of 1938" row and left it up to collectors/dealers to figure things out. they really didn't have any choice.
Over the years, I've seen multiple more of these MS67 Rev38's that were Rev40's. It sure would be nice if these could be cleaned up. I sent pictures of one of them to PCGS about a year ago that was in a Teletrade Auction with their nice side-by-side pictures. If it was in a Registry Set, they could send them a note that the designation is wrong or something. Maybe even a reduced fee (or no fee) to fix it. No need to say what happened!
Dowgie
<< <i>the 1943/2 population possibly could be someone finding a roll, but more likely related to the value and market of the coin at the time
in 1989, submissions were restricted to dealers I think
and I would guess not many Jeffersons were worth more than $50 >>
That's how I would look at it. Whenever a low pop coin sells for good money, this influences additional submissions. Roll submissions would be like someone making 21 PCGS MS65 1949 nickels or 20 MS66 1949 Jefferson nickels.
Leo
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<< <i>keets, from what I understand, that is what happend. Unfortunately, not all collectors submitted their coins to get them designated correctly. I know exacly why some didn't, they wanted the MS67 Rev38 holder in their registry sets, even though the coin is a Rev40. The Rev40's are the most common reverse for the 1939-P. While looking at auctions, I locate one every now-and-then. For some reason I can't find the reverse of this one, but it's a Rev40!
Over the years, I've seen multiple more of these MS67 Rev38's that were Rev40's. It sure would be nice if these could be cleaned up. I sent pictures of one of them to PCGS about a year ago that was in a Teletrade Auction with their nice side-by-side pictures. If it was in a Registry Set, they could send them a note that the designation is wrong or something. Maybe even a reduced fee (or no fee) to fix it. No need to say what happened!
Dowgie >>
These mis-identified reverse of 40 coins show up all the time. I would really like to know how many true reverses of 38 there are in some of the populations.
Steve
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Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
Leo
* "The Jefferson Nickel Analyst" by Bern Nagengast
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
Regarding the R38 issue: I have bought at least one MS67 that turned out to be R40 instead of the desired R38. Paid too much money as a result (but not the full price for the R38)
Dave
Link to 1950 - 1964 Proof Registry Set
1938 - 1964 Proof Jeffersons w/ Varieties
But your best source for population percentages can be found in Bern Nagengast book, "The Jefferson Nickel Analyst"
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
the copper did have the RD RB BN
the Morgans had the PL and DM designations
Franklins did NOT have the FBL designation
Standing Liberty Quarters had the FH designation
Mercury dimes did have the FB designation
as far as the 1939's go, are you guys saying the price guides do not jive with rarity?
does anyone have a rough estimate production for each mint (percentage wise)?
If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.
Tommy
every once in awhile I find the wheelchair ramps on a 39 and then scratch my head
of the 1939 business strikes - which are the rarest? 1939 rev of 38 and 1939-S rev of 40 ?
there must be many rev of 38 that would now get FS but didn't when first graded because of the step weakness