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jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 4,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
Almost certainly on a 1908-S Indian cent, not that we can prove the mintmark any more...

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(Anyone know where the comics collectors hang out? I'd love to get some idea of value from their perspective...)

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    I have to ask..how can we be sure or even close its an S mint ?
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    SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,244 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    << <i>I have to ask..how can we be sure or even close its an S mint ? >>



    Pretty sure he was joking image
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    Ahhhh.. , its a cool piece , who is the character shown , i recoqnise him..from the dagwood cartoons maybe?
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    jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 4,113 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Pretty sure he was joking >>

    Nope, totally serious. I'll explain in a few hours if nobody else figures it out. (Hint: Can you ID the engraving?)
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,022 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Think that's Andy Gump.

    Forrest's great, great uncle.

    TD
    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    << <i>Pretty sure he was joking >>

    Nope, totally serious. I'll explain in a few hours if nobody else figures it out. (Hint: Can you ID the engraving?) >>



    Im close ..i know ive seen it before but the date is wrong for what im thinking.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,022 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Pretty sure he was joking >>

    Nope, totally serious. I'll explain in a few hours if nobody else figures it out. (Hint: Can you ID the engraving?) >>



    The cartoon character was Andy Gump. See:

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    However, the strip was drawn here in Chicago, and has nothing to do with the store, Gump's, in Sam Francisco!!!

    TD
    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Perhaps a character in the San Francisco comics? or a San Francisco cartoonist?
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    The date on the coin engraving predates Andy Gump by 6 years though , from the link i didnt see a resemblence either.
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    << <i>Pretty sure he was joking >>

    Nope, totally serious. I'll explain in a few hours if nobody else figures it out. (Hint: Can you ID the engraving?) >>



    The cartoon character was Andy Gump. See:

    linkadoo

    However, the strip was drawn here in Chicago, and has nothing to do with the store, Gump's, in Sam Francisco!!!

    TD >>




    My money is on its " Mutt & Jeff " and ive got the house on it.


    Nearly a hundred years ago on November 15, 1907 a San Francisco Chronicle cartoonist, Bud Fisher began drawing a daily comic strip called "Mr. Mutt.". A short time later, he added the diminutive Mr. Jeff, and "Mutt and Jeff" was born. Mutt was a tall, lanky man with a penchant for the ponies, while Jeff looked like the Monopoly man after a rough weekend. Mutt and Jeff were affable losers; the guys in the cheap seats at horse races on a Wednesday afternoon. In 1932, Fisher formally turned production of the strip over to Al Smith, who continued to draw it until two years before its demise in 1982.
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    <<My money is on its " Mutt & Jeff " and ive got the house on it. >>

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    " YaY " do i get a prize now ? image
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    LoveMyLibertyLoveMyLiberty Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭

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    Which leaves us with does the OP reckon its an original Bud Fisher piece ? Interesting , the character itself wouldnt be difficult for any semi talented artist to emulate or even copy perfectly.
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So you are saying it's likely a 1908-S because of the SF Chronicle and Examiner? Surely many Philly IHC's made their way west after a few years. Or maybe that's not the reason?
    Lance.
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    jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 4,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, I think it's Mutt, of "and Jeff" fame. I also think it's an original, because... well, why not. It doesn't seem likely to me that other folks were copying Mutt and Jeff just 3 1/2 years after it was created. I'd be a lot happier if this piece was signed, of course, but I'm going to say that it's real until someone proves me wrong, so nyah! image

    If you go with the idea that it's Mutt, and that it's real, and that the date is accurate, then the question is what was circulating in San Francisco in 1908. I'm guessing that not much coinage managed to cross the country in 1911, and of the stuff that did, it took on average more than 3 years to do it. So if someone had a 1908 cent in 1911 San Francisco, I'm figuring that it was probably S-mint.

    ...and since none of this can be proved or disproved, that's what I've got.

    jonathan
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    Its a pretty cool item , but i dont know if drawing a popular character would be limited to the original artist.It wouldnt really have been faking anything in 1911 , i cant help think about an old zippo lighter i had , i engraved artwork onto that too.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,022 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I guess you're right, it is Mutt of Mutt and Jeff.

    For what it's worth, "Bud" Fisher's birthday was (drum roll) April 3rd!

    So, the engraved piece commemorates his birthday!!

    TD
    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    << <i>I guess you're right, it is Mutt of Mutt and Jeff.

    For what it's worth, "Bud" Fisher's birthday was (drum roll) April 3rd!

    So, the engraved piece commemorates his birthday!!

    TD >>



    Thats an interesting turn.Out of interest , how would one go about creating a like piece of artwork on a 1c in 1911 ? No dremel tools in those days , it would take quite a bit of work really , wouldnt it ?
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    jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 4,113 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>No dremel tools in those days , it would take quite a bit of work really , wouldnt it ? >>

    I don't know the techniques, but it couldn't have been that hard. Jewelers have been doing engraving for millennia...
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    Just think, somewhere out there is an 1908 IHC with Mr. Jeff on it. Probably??

    Ron
    Collect for the love of the hobby, the beauty of the coins, and enjoy the ride.
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    Could it be a "hobo" indian head cent?image
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    << <i>No dremel tools in those days , it would take quite a bit of work really , wouldnt it ? >>

    I don't know the techniques, but it couldn't have been that hard. Jewelers have been doing engraving for millennia... >>



    Thats what im driving at , a jeweler would engrave , not a cartoonist.One needs to be in an enviroment conducive to engraving,theres a world of difference between sketching with a pencil and engraving.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting piece, I would keep that one. The cartoon was still running in the papers when I was a kid. Cheers, RickO
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ubercool.

    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

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