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I got one of my white whales!!!!! GRADE IS IN!
Morgoth
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Well I won this card. I took a risk on raw but this card is so rare finding a graded one (Paul Starxx has a really ugly 4 for $400) is impossible so far.
He claimed it was a EX plus. I was hoping for VG+. Well I had my hopes dashed today. First off it has alot of good eye appeal.
I like the card but I wish he would have said in the auction description that it had a big crease on the back.
<< <i>Up for auction is a rare regional issue 1957 Kahn's Wieners Bill Mazeroski Pittsburgh Pirates Rookie Card ( Hall Of Famer ). The card is in EX+ condition, with minimal wear-These cards were issued in packs of hot dogs, and are almost never found in NRMT or higher condition. The 1957 issue had blank backs and were the first year for Kahn's to include Pirate players. This is another of my now famous NO RESERVE $1.00 opening bid auctions ( This card list for $425.00 in NRMT condition). All questions will be answered. Good luck bidding. >>
Next, the crease may have happened during shipping as it came in a tiny padded envelop with no further padding and this was the only protection for the card.
What should I do if anything. If I ask for a partial refund due to it not being EX shape I am afraid he will just want me to send it back. I am pretty upset how it was shipped, the guy talked about how rare and valuable the card was and then cuts up a pepsi carton and uses it for protection??????
wow
He claimed it was a EX plus. I was hoping for VG+. Well I had my hopes dashed today. First off it has alot of good eye appeal.
I like the card but I wish he would have said in the auction description that it had a big crease on the back.
<< <i>Up for auction is a rare regional issue 1957 Kahn's Wieners Bill Mazeroski Pittsburgh Pirates Rookie Card ( Hall Of Famer ). The card is in EX+ condition, with minimal wear-These cards were issued in packs of hot dogs, and are almost never found in NRMT or higher condition. The 1957 issue had blank backs and were the first year for Kahn's to include Pirate players. This is another of my now famous NO RESERVE $1.00 opening bid auctions ( This card list for $425.00 in NRMT condition). All questions will be answered. Good luck bidding. >>
Next, the crease may have happened during shipping as it came in a tiny padded envelop with no further padding and this was the only protection for the card.
What should I do if anything. If I ask for a partial refund due to it not being EX shape I am afraid he will just want me to send it back. I am pretty upset how it was shipped, the guy talked about how rare and valuable the card was and then cuts up a pepsi carton and uses it for protection??????
wow
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-Michael
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<< <i>Pls clarify how this thing was shipped. Your first picture shows it in a top loader. Did the seller ship it in the toploader or did you add that later? If the seller put the card in the toploader, then inserted the toploader between 2 pieces of cardboard (with a rubber band I assume), then placed all of that inside a padded bubble mailer.....then I'm not sure what the problem is. Were you expecting an early 80's glass screw-down? Seriously, with all of that, I doubt the crease occured during shipping. It was there before and the seller just misadvertised.. I would be willing to bet that your card wouldn't have formed a crease even if it were only mailed with the toploader in a PWE.
-Michael >>
He said the cardboard was the only protection for the card. Beyond that, that cardboard is about as thick as baseball card stock...not much protection.
Either way, I doubt it was creased in during shipping, it was probably just overgraded due to the great eye appeal.
I think it was creased before shipping as well but it wasn't shipped right or it was overgraded. He did write Do Not Bend on the outside of the padded envelope. I am sure that kept it from bending.
<< <i>I added the top loader once I got it unstuck from the tape he used to seal up the pepsi carton cucoon.
I think it was creased before shipping as well but it wasn't shipped right or it was overgraded. He did write Do Not Bend on the outside of the padded envelope. I am sure that kept it from bending. >>
OK- Who the heck sends cards without a toploader or cardsaver? If the pepsi scrap was all he used, then I would definitely ask for some money back. What a clown... Sorry that happened.
-Michael
Always buying Bobby Cox inserts. PM me.
I figured it would come in a box the way he talked it up. Is it really worth the 1$ you might save to cut up a pepsi carton and make your own holder?
Twice this week I received cards (in holders at least) in home made envelopes.
-Michael
Always buying Bobby Cox inserts. PM me.
How about contacting the guy and ask if the card has a slight crease before he shipped it?
I recently posted on a 60s Mantle Phillies Cigar premium that had a crease the seller said didn't exist.
I didn't sent it back since I bid as if it were Ex - and the item rarely comes up for auction.
If the price was right - and it's as rare as you say? It might be worth keeping.
mike
Most experienced sellers now believe that requests for "partial refunds" are scams.
He will likely tell you to return the item for a full refund.
I would rather keep the card, if it is hard to find.
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I do not issue partial refunds. If the item I sold is SNAD - and you can
make your case to PayPal - return the item and get ALL your cash back.
Only an idiot would have a message board signature.
<< <i>I have nothing to contribute, but would like to take the opportunity to post the word "weiner." >>
At least he didn't spill any pepsi on the card
Personally, I would e-mail him and state your displeasure. If he's a decent guy, he'll apologize and possibly offer free shipping on your next order or a discount on a future purchase. If he's a tool, then say thank you very much and neg him.
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i dont know how many times i got a raw "mint" card only to find it has flaws.....
made me stop buying ungrdaed for a while....
but sometimes that RARE card is the exception...i have found that most "rare" Pujols cards (numbered to 25) are usually raw and rarely mint.....but they are RARE so you have to have it right?
I can now imagine what you felt now when you opened that up.
<< <i>Yep, I would rather keep the card than get a partial refund >>
If you still value the product more than the cash, isn't that an endorsement of the seller?
We really don't know if it was damaged during shipping. The only way to avoid buying overgraded raw cards on ebay ... is to not buy raw cards on ebay. . .
I bought the issue at a price I could live with even if it graded PSA 2 or 3 so the issue isn't about money. Its how it was shipped which was inexcusable for a longtime seller.
If the card had a crease then it was a misleading auction description if not it was shipped poorly. Everyone expects the minimum service when buying something and he didn't provide it.
I am not endorsing this guy I am trying to warn others. I am contacting him and voicing my displeasure. I am asking if it did have a crease before shipping. If he says no then I will want a partial refund if he wants me to return the card I most likely will choose to keep it due to its rarity. Not providing a parital refund and explaning the shipping method will prevent any future buisness from me for sure.
<< <i>Just looked at the auction and the crease you mention is clearly seen in the seller's back scan. The seller's grade of EX+ is a bit optimistic based on what you can see in his pictures. Seeing as how it only sold for $90 it looks like most people bid based on looking at the pictures rather than trusting the seller's grade of EX+. While it's not EX+ it looks like it should grade out at more than a 2 or 3 if the crease is only on the back and is a very good deal for only $90. >>
An experienced seller should know not to list creased cards with a large EX+ in the title. I bought a couple venezuelan topps cards ($7.00 total) and it was listed as EX+ so I didn't bother to look at the back under the assumption that the backs were clean on an "EX+" card but both had severe paper lose. I blame myself for this negligence and I was still happy with the cards but there is a standard that collectors live by and an experienced seller should know this.
I would keep the card, you got a great price for a classic Maz!
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
I can kinda see the crease now that I know what I am looking for in the scan but if I didn't know it was there already I don't know if I would of thought it was a crease versus a stain or discoloration.
Seller should have mentioned it as its a pretty big defect not to list but again I bid like other hoping it was only 2 grades overgraded, like I said before I was hoping VG+. In reality I expected a crease I just didn't think it would be as large or ugly. It doesn't cause the paper on the front to crack but it has a bend visible from the front.
If you do not want to send the card back for a full refund, asking for a partial refund would be unreasonable since you are essentially satisfied with it in the condition it is in.
On the issue of soaking, I don't think there is any way to get rid of a crease that large by soaking. It was a bout 1/4" in width and about 3 in long but I don't have the soaking experience of others but that seems like something thats permenant.