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UPDATE: Coin got BB'd. - I think I made a mistake cracking this one out - AU58 US-Philippines 1915-S
IloiloKano
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I am preparing a new submission to PCGS, and since I can't group cross-overs with raw coins in one submission, I decided to crack out my NCG AU58 1915-S US-Philippines Centavo so that I could photograph it before sending it in to PCGS for grading. This is THE key date, and I hoped it would cross as AU58. Now, I'm not so sure. Perhaps it will get AU55, or God forbid lower.
I welcome others opinions. Here are the images after cracking it out.
I welcome others opinions. Here are the images after cracking it out.
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Try that acetone bath you did on the other piece. If any of the lustre remains and pops out like the other it may make it back into a 58 holder.
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You live by the crack out and you die by the crack out, nothing is certain there.
Especially with copper at PCGS. Besides, what have you got to lose now?
The green spots appear to me to be verdigris, but I'm sort of worried that if I use olive oil to loosen it, there may be pitting beneath, so I think I'll leave it.
The hairlines are not from a cleaning, in my opinion, but from friction wear, since there's so much accumulation in the crevasses, and if someone had attempted to clean it, surely they would not have left it so crusty.
Though it clearly has the details of an AU58 coin, my own belief is that other problems will keep it from getting anything higher than AU53.
I think there's a remote chance PCGS won't grade it.
Hopefully, I am being objective, rather than my judgment being clouded by my wishes, but this is really depressing.
That's funny. Before I read your comments, I was thinking 53 due to wear and ugly spots. I agree with the others that there's a 50/50 chance of bagging for corrosion and/or and old wipe. BTW, I'm heading back to the Phils next month for another work assigment. Looking forward to attending the monthly auctions and collecting raw again after a 3 year hiatus!
<< <i>That's funny. Before I read your comments, I was thinking 53 due to wear and ugly spots. I agree with the others that there's a 50/50 chance of bagging for corrosion and/or and old wipe. BTW, I'm heading back to the Phils next month for another work assigment. Looking forward to attending the monthly auctions and collecting raw again after a 3 year hiatus! >>
I'm starting to think I'll be happy if it simply gets a grade of AU50, but if it isn't BB'd then I suspect it would at least make AU53, based upon the appearance of a couple PCGS AU50's that I've seen.
jetblack740il's PCGS AU50 for sale
PhilippineCoins.com's PCGS AU50 for sale
Realistically, a 50/50 chance of being BB'd is probably a good prediction (for environmental damage?), but the hairlines seen in the image are much more pronounced than when the coin is viewed in hand. Damn!
I doubt I'd know results before you get back from the Philippines, but if it gets BB'd, I might ask you to keep your eye out for a nice raw 1915-S for me.
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did the thick NGC plastic cover up the wipe?
I decided to use olive oil to remove the verdigris, and it does indeed look better now, but still not good enough. I have to vacate for a few days for termite fumigation starting tomorrow, (bummer and a major hassle), which seem to prove the expression "when it rains, it pours"!
Edited to answer the previous question: The old NGC slab was so badly scuffed, scratched and a bit hazy, I didn't notice the problems before cracking it out.
Lesson learned. Never break a coin out to be graded by another service unless you're okay with it possibly ending up with the "Genuine Not Gradable" moniker.
I'll probably end up listing it on eBay, (with full disclosure and a link to this forum post), even though I probably could get more money by simply listing it without any background history whatsoever. I can't bring myself to compromise my integrity for financial gain.
This was the coin photographed through the original badly scratched NGC holder.
Too bad. It's a lovely specimen of a hard date. I hope for your sake you get your grade. Good luck.
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