Deal gone bad on BST: What would you do?

KISHU1 · January 25, 2010 10:02AM

A fellow board member with 700+ posts sold me a constitution gold set and 2 gold chains marhed 14K and 18K. I received them and had sent a check in the meantime. In about a week I went to sell the chains and to my horror found out that they were not real gold but were stamped that way. I tried to stop the check but it was too late and I told the seller. He said he would send me a check but it never came. I have tried numerious times to call him and contact him on the boards but he will not answer. This is only a short portion of this long saga over the past month. What would you do? He is halfway across the country so going to see him is out of the question.

Thanks

Frank

nankraut · January 25, 2010 10:05AM

And his forum ID is:? Perhaps he can also give us his side of this story.

mkman123 · January 25, 2010 10:08AM

If you tell the seller that you will put reveal their username, that might take care of it.

If their username is revealed noone would ever deal with that person again as your reputation means everything on here.

Bochiman · January 25, 2010 10:09AM

Without knowing the ID (to see if he is well known on the boards.....post count means nothing) and the actual dates, it is hard to give any advice.

KISHU1 · January 25, 2010 10:11AM

I am affraid if I give the name out I will have the post removed or be booted off myself. You can get his name by doing a search for scrape gold

Let me know if its OK to post his ID

Thanks

Frank

tincup · January 25, 2010 10:16AM

I would hold off naming the individual at this point.... give a chance for them to respond now that they perhaps know you have posted here....

If no response, or resolution, you can always reveal the ID later.

soty27 · January 25, 2010 10:16AM

I did a search and I do not see anyone with a 700 post count or any where near that number who sold scrap gold?? Just post the name and lets see what happens.

GoldenEyeNumismatics · January 25, 2010 10:20AM

Has he logged on since then?

KISHU1 · January 25, 2010 10:22AM

He has not logged in recently an took off all the posts except for the one where he posts "scrape" instead of scrap. Search scrape

Frank

bestday · January 25, 2010 10:25AM

how do you search a members posts ? When I attempt to do a search ,it always comed up no results

Mar327 · January 25, 2010 10:32AM

I found one with "scrape" and he now has 905 posts.

Just asking, but are you sure the person who checked the gold content did it right? Edited to add: since you're being given the cold shoulder, it's probably right.

mudskippie · January 25, 2010 10:32AM

Found the post, but I think you can contact your bank to get your money back!

ChrisRx · January 25, 2010 10:34AM

pakasmom · January 25, 2010 10:34AM

I'd try to contact our hosts before saying or doing anything else. It would be a shame to lose your own posting ability just by making a misstep here.
Good luck.

BAJJERFAN · January 25, 2010 10:38AM

At the top of the home page for this BS&T category, there is a search box. Simply type in scrape and hit search and you will find the post of interest.

Ed1840 · January 25, 2010 10:44AM

I would have the chains rechecked. He may not have known himself. He should stay in contact though.

DoubleEagle59 · January 25, 2010 10:52AM

yes, I would have the gold checked again.

But, I can recount numerous times appraising gold chain that WAS stamped 14K and it turned out not to be gold (counterfeit gold chain).

KISHU1 · January 25, 2010 10:54AM

The ends where it was stamped stuck to a magnet!

Frank

coinguy1 · January 25, 2010 10:55AM

<< I would have the chains rechecked. He may not have known himself. He should stay in contact though. >>

He very well might not have known. But if the OP is being accurate, the seller said he would send a check and did not do so.

<< I would hold off naming the individual at this point.... give a chance for them to respond now that they perhaps know you have posted here.... If no response, or resolution, you can always reveal the ID later. >>

The poster stated "He said he would send me a check but it never came. I have tried numerious times to call him and contact him on the boards but he will not answer. This is only a short portion of this long saga over the past month". If he is being factual, hasn't he already given the seller adequate time to respond?

tincup · January 25, 2010 10:55AM

If it is the ID that I think it is.... looks like the last time he was on one of the forums was January 16th.

Had you contacted him prior to this date and not received an answer? If so, it would appear that he may be avoiding answering.....

Hyperion · January 25, 2010 10:58AM

I would immediately have my lawyer draft him a letter, if he accepted a check then you'll have the information on where it was deposited and can proceed with legal action, half way across the country or not.

coindeuce · January 25, 2010 11:19AM

I get the express feeling that it will be verrrrrrry hard for the member in question to continue
buying/selling/trading here until this issue is resolved. With that stated, I recommend this thread be moved to the U.S. Coins Forum. It is interesting to note that the items in question were sold here, after the member inquired about where to offer such material and I recommended a commercial refiner.

jdimmick · January 25, 2010 11:29AM

I buy scrap jewelry all the time over the counter and several pieces that are clearly marked 14k etc, are not.
He may not have known, but if he is ignoring the buyer and wont repsond to resolve, then he is a scumbag, and a person I sure as he11 dont want to do busines with on the bst.
Out the son of a b
jim

Hyperion · January 25, 2010 11:39AM

<< I buy scrap jewelry all the time over the counter and several pieces that are clearly marked 14k etc, are not.
He may not have known, but if he is ignoring the buyer and wont repsond to resolve, then he is a scumbag, and a person I sure as he11 dont want to do busines with on the bst.
Out the son of a b
jim >>

I could care less about his ID, give his full name and hometown! so I know to avoid forever!

coin22lover · January 25, 2010 11:57AM

How certain are you they are really fake? Who told you that? Maybe they were just trying to get you to sell them for nothing.

Probably not, though

The seller simply needs to refund your money.

stinkinlincoln · January 25, 2010 12:01PM

WOW... Im sorry, but Id out them. Ive had afew deals here and there on the BST and have never had an issue, knock on wood... Respect, trust, and honesty are the things that make the BST work.

Meltdown · January 25, 2010 12:01PM

I wish you the best of luck. I absolutely hate to read posts like this, there is a similar question about another board member's selling
credentials floating around as well.
I think it diminishes the trust and security that most all of us feel when dealing here on the bst.

I hope it all gets resolved honestly and timely.

pragmaticgoat · January 25, 2010 12:05PM

<< I wish you the best of luck. I absolutely hate to read posts like this, there is a similar question about another board member's selling
credentials floating around as well.
I think it diminishes the trust and security that most all of us feel when dealing here on the bst.

I hope it all gets resolved honestly and timely. >>

mbcoin · January 25, 2010 12:17PM

Looks like this is happening a little to often.
There is alot of trust on this site that is now in question.

itsnotjustme · January 25, 2010 12:26PM

Sounds like a matter for the police or postal inspector, not an internet chat room.

dsessom · January 25, 2010 12:27PM

Wow, I found the items in question and Frank isn't talking about a few hundered bucks. More to the tune of a couple grand! OUCH! I sincerely hope they can get that resolved, and soon.

Ahrensdad · January 25, 2010 12:38PM

<< Sounds like a matter for the police or postal inspector, not an internet chat room. >>

This sounds about right to me.

al410 · January 25, 2010 12:58PM

I have been so lucky buying and selling on the BST, many transactions and all very smooth, a few bad deals on here can ruin it all for everyone. I hope this is resolved very soon. It is important that all of us research who were dealing with. There are many great sellers on here and apparently a few bad ones. We must all realize that it is important that we all check out who were dealing with, I would say most will provide references on here if asked.
AL

Amigo · January 25, 2010 1:20PM

There is still the possiblity he didn't know. It is not uncommon for Jewelry to be repaired. It's possible some sleazebag repairman sold him 14k clasps, or the person who owned it prior.
Sometimes I ignore people that I think may be dishonest. It could be that he thinks the Buyer is trying to scam him since the clasps were stamped. I ignore plenty of people hoping they will go away.

coindeuce · January 25, 2010 1:27PM

Keep in mind that the specific issue here involves the BST sellers' lack of response to the buyer's communication about a resolution that was promised by the seller, but not delivered. The appearance of the seller's avoidance on addressing that issue alone is the OP's only cause for concern, IMHO.

coinguy1 · January 25, 2010 1:46PM

<< There is still the possiblity he didn't know. It is not uncommon for Jewelry to be repaired. It's possible some sleazebag repairman sold him 14k clasps, or the person who owned it prior.
Sometimes I ignore people that I think may be dishonest. It could be that he thinks the Buyer is trying to scam him since the clasps were stamped. I ignore plenty of people hoping they will go away. >>

It doesn't really matter at this point if the seller didn't know. According to the buyer, he said he would send a check and didn't follow through.

Type2 · January 25, 2010 3:22PM

Dont know but is there a metal wire or spring in the clasp? I would check once more then fire away. That is the only thing that make me winder about the BST no one in charge. That is what PCGS should work on $$$ go in to a holding till items rec then $$$ go to the seller PCGS takes .50 or 1.00 for holding and can call it PCGS- WAY, But that is just me. Sorry to see this hope it works out.

robkool · January 25, 2010 3:35PM

Have you tried using a scratch/acid test on that gold clasp ???

KISHU1 · January 25, 2010 9:50PM

I have tried acid as well as others have tried acid, still no good

Thanks for all the support and insight. I will let everone know the outcome, hopefully it works out allright.

Thanks again and keep the trust going

Frank Dallessio

jnd1955 · January 25, 2010 10:31PM

I am sorry to read this type of thing to. i just hope the sell does do the right thing
and make it right with you. this hobby is all about (( Honesty ~ Truth ~ Integrity ))
i have had many deals here and all was smooth. but did have one and we worked it out,
this is the way it should be done. i was the seller in this case. but we came up with a compermize
but in your case the seller here need to do a full refund for idems in question.

john

Smittys · January 25, 2010 10:38PM

Had the same thing happen one part of a large lot.
He made it good though, he's just not on at all times.

RYK · January 25, 2010 11:30PM

One thing that might help for future transactions in the BUY, SELL, & TRADE - U.S. COINS forum is that they should be limited to "U.S. COINS". Once it devolves to a flea market of non-numismatic material, the outcomes are likely to resemble flea market outcomes.

RNCHSN · January 26, 2010 12:33AM

Talk to your bank manager.

Explain that there was a fraudulent transaction and ask him/her to see if they can get your check payment reversed.

The bank may have some recourse that is not directly available to you.

coindeuce · January 26, 2010 2:45AM

<< I am sorry to read this type of thing to. i just hope the sell does do the right thing
and make it right with you. this hobby is all about (( Honesty ~ Truth ~ Integrity ))
i have had many deals here and all was smooth. but did have one and we worked it out,
this is the way it should be done. i was the seller in this case. but we came up with a compermize
but in your case the seller here need to do a full refund for idems in question.

john >>

jnd1955,
Please elaborate on your "compermize". Are you referring to the deal where you accused another forum member of switching a coin out of a deal that he returned to you, and you kept $500 of the deal against his denial of your claim?

Res · January 26, 2010 2:58AM

This is one reason to use paypal (at least until you know who you're dealing with) Generally, it's worth the extra 3% to me to pay with a credit card.

Bobk · January 26, 2010 3:07AM

What a shame. I have fifty buys on B,S,&T and PM. Not once have I ever received anything less than promised. Bob

gsa1fan · January 26, 2010 3:08AM

PayPal won't do SQUAT if push comes to shove. Well unless sending you a list of suggestions of recourse is your idea of backing.

I bought a $1,200 coin on eBay and got ripped off. PayPal reimbursed me $200 of it.

I do like the gift option though

mkman123 · January 26, 2010 3:12AM

This situation is unfortunate, hopefully the seller will chime in. However, I want to say that this type of thing is rare, I have done deals with over 50 different people here, some multiple times and I have had A+ dealings with everyone either buying or selling. Bad people on this site=ultra rare.

BNBAnalytics · January 26, 2010 3:18AM

Very unfortunate situation.. I hope you resolve this. If this guy really did do this to you, I would contact your bank first then the police department of your city/town.

bnb

Res · January 26, 2010 3:58AM

<< PayPal won't do SQUAT if push comes to shove. Well unless sending you a list of suggestions of recourse is your idea of backing.

I bought a $1,200 coin on eBay and got ripped off. PayPal reimbursed me $200 of it.

I do like the gift option though

>>

Then you should have contacted your cc company directly. They WILL do something about it. I said "paypal" becasue that's the easiest way to pay with cc. I wasn't referencing using your bank account via paypal.

Mar327 · July 25, 2010 5:53PM

Sorry to kick up a 6 month old thread, but how was this resolved?

Deal gone bad on BST: What would you do?

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