Summary Total submitted = 439 Correct = 412 Incorrect = 27 Disqualifed = 3 (attribution on holder or in description)
Notes on scoring per Andy's rules: Correct attribution equals +1 Incorrect attribution equals -1
Clarifications: Submissions where the coin is already attributed in the description or on the holder are disqualified and receive a score of 0 for that attribution.
Example: astrorat submits 21 attributions. One has an attribution in the description, eighteen are correct, and two are incorrect. Score is calculated as 18 (correct) - 2 (incorrect) = 16.
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Summary Total submitted = 455 Correct = 429 Incorrect = 27 Disqualifed = 4 (attribution on holder or in description)
Notes on scoring per Andy's rules: Correct attribution equals +1 Incorrect attribution equals -1
Clarifications: Submissions where the coin is already attributed in the description or on the holder are disqualified and receive a score of 0 for that attribution.
Example: astrorat submits 21 attributions. One has an attribution in the description, eighteen are correct, and two are incorrect. Score is calculated as 18 (correct) - 2 (incorrect) = 16.
Edited to change formatting.
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<< <i>It's a trap. Hes buying all the vam cherries and making you do the work to find them! >>
Well...if I were trying to cherry all the VAMs, I am certainly going about it the wrong way! I probably should have volunteered to judge a VAM attribution contest rather than an Overton attribution contest.
It's tough to cherry an CBH Overton variety on eBay as there are way too many eyes looking for R-5s and above.
So far, based on the contest entries, I have picked up four R-5s, two R-6s, one R-7, and one "unknown" variety. I'm just kidding, of course.
Lane
Numismatist Ordinaire See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Summary Total submitted = 484 Correct = 452 Incorrect = 29 Disqualifed = 4 (attribution on holder or in description)
Notes on scoring per Andy's rules: Correct attribution equals +1 Incorrect attribution equals -1
Clarifications: Submissions where the coin is already attributed in the description or on the holder are disqualified and receive a score of 0 for that attribution.
Example: astrorat submits 21 attributions. One has an attribution in the description, eighteen are correct, and two are incorrect. Score is calculated as 18 (correct) - 2 (incorrect) = 16.
Edited to change formatting.
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Summary Total submitted = 508 Correct = 474 Incorrect = 30 Disqualifed = 4 (attribution on holder or in description)
Notes on scoring per Andy's rules: Correct attribution equals +1 Incorrect attribution equals -1
Clarifications: Submissions where the coin is already attributed in the description or on the holder are disqualified and receive a score of 0 for that attribution.
Example: astrorat submits 21 attributions. One has an attribution in the description, eighteen are correct, and two are incorrect. Score is calculated as 18 (correct) - 2 (incorrect) = 16.
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Summary Total submitted = 510 Correct = 476 Incorrect = 30 Disqualifed = 4 (attribution on holder or in description)
Notes on scoring per Andy's rules: Correct attribution equals +1 Incorrect attribution equals -1
Clarifications: Submissions where the coin is already attributed in the description or on the holder are disqualified and receive a score of 0 for that attribution.
Example: astrorat submits 21 attributions. One has an attribution in the description, eighteen are correct, and two are incorrect. Score is calculated as 18 (correct) - 2 (incorrect) = 16.
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Summary Total submitted = 557 Correct = 521 Incorrect = 32 Disqualifed = 4 (attribution on holder or in description)
Notes on scoring per Andy's rules: Correct attribution equals +1 Incorrect attribution equals -1
Clarifications: Submissions where the coin is already attributed in the description or on the holder are disqualified and receive a score of 0 for that attribution.
Example: astrorat submits 21 attributions. One has an attribution in the description, eighteen are correct, and two are incorrect. Score is calculated as 18 (correct) - 2 (incorrect) = 16.
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Somehow I had completely missed this thread until today. I don't collect CBHs, wouldn't know Overton from Oglethorpe and couldn't attribute a blackhead on the end of my own nose but I have to say that this is an awesome contest. Mr. Lustig, my congratulations on your inventiveness and originality and my thanks to you from the board at large. This is high quality stuff right here.
"YOU SUCK!" Awarded by nankraut/renomedphys 6/13/13 - MadMarty dissents
Summary Total submitted = 671 Correct = 627 Incorrect = 34 Disqualifed = 10 (attribution on holder or in description)
Notes on scoring per Andy's rules: Correct attribution equals +1 Incorrect attribution equals -1
Clarifications: Submissions where the coin is already attributed in the description or on the holder are disqualified and receive a score of 0 for that attribution.
Example: astrorat submits 21 attributions. One has an attribution in the description, eighteen are correct, and two are incorrect. Score is calculated as 18 (correct) - 2 (incorrect) = 16. >>
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Summary Total submitted = 691 Correct = 647 Incorrect = 34 Disqualifed = 10 (attribution on holder or in description)
Notes on scoring per Andy's rules: Correct attribution equals +1 Incorrect attribution equals -1
Clarifications: Submissions where the coin is already attributed in the description or on the holder are disqualified and receive a score of 0 for that attribution.
Example: astrorat submits 21 attributions. One has an attribution in the description, eighteen are correct, and two are incorrect. Score is calculated as 18 (correct) - 2 (incorrect) = 16.
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These numbers are pretty impressive! I'm curious to know how many coins had to be attributed by each of the leaders to find this many different varieties. Has anyone been keeping track of this?
Andy Lustig
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Just heard from Lane, and there's a misunderstanding about the rules. Here's what I said in the OP:
"The contest: How many different UNATTRIBUTED Bust Half varieties can you find..."
Apparently, some people, Lane included, thought that meant that duplicate finds of the same variety should be counted, when they shouldn't have been.
To settle the matter, Lane is going to recalculate the results. I'll still provide three prizes, even if three people don't hit 100. But the spirit of the contest was supposed to be that of building virtual collections and hunting for varieties that you "need", and I want the prizes awarded by those rules. Especially because I plan to do the same thing again next year, and we should be consistent with the rules.
BTW, since the counts are about to come way down, fighting your way into the top three just became a lot easier. So get to work, slackers!
Andy Lustig
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Summary Total submitted = 691 Correct = 538 Incorrect = 28 Duplicate Varieties = 115* Disqualifed = 10 (attribution on holder or in description)
*Note: Duplicate submissions were omitted it the scoring since a contestant would have not submitted a duplicate variety knowing it would not be counted.
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Summary Total submitted = 751 Correct = 568 Incorrect = 31 Duplicate Varieties = 140* Disqualifed = 12 (attribution on holder or in description)
*Note: Duplicate submissions were omitted it the scoring since a contestant would have not submitted a duplicate variety knowing it would not be counted.
Edited for fomatting.
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<< <i>Astrorat, how many R4s and above? Any cherries off the bay as a result? Gotta be a Paul Harvey to this....
Congrats to Stone and the rest of the competition. That early lead proved insurmountable.
I find attributing from images generally to be too much of a challenge. >>
Thanks Jay for the regards, as well Lane for making this competition happen! My goal was to get a large, early lead and try to overwhelm the competition. I honestly didn't think I had the time to attribute so many coins, especially when this competition started right before college finals! BUT, it turned out that I had much more free-time to attribute than I first realized, and I took to attributing small groups of coins at a time
it was difficult for me to attribute those 8 coins correctly...must have taken an hour at least. Nowhere near as easy as the half dimes. Congrats, STONE!
Total number of unique Overton die marriages - 303 Draped Bust halves - 38 Capped Bust halves - 265 (well over HALF a full CBH Overton die marriage set!)
Draped Bust Half Rarities - 3 listings for R5 and above 1794 O-105 R5 in NGC-20 did not sell for opening bid of $15,000 1795 O-101 R7 was a cleaned VG-10? that sold for $2,356 (YIKES! It was the 8th known specimen and a NEW discovery by Stone! What a FIND!) 1806 O-125a R5 in VF-10 that did not sell for a BIN of $726
Capped Bust Half Rarities - 3 listings for R4+ (none higher than R4+) 1814 O-106 R4+ in EF-40 sold for $180 (Nice) 1822 O-102 in EF-40 not sold with a BIN of $1,000 (no surprise) 1829 O-118 in VF-20 sold for $69 (WOW!!)
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<< <i>1795 O-101 R7 was a cleaned VG-10? that sold for $2,356 (YIKES! It was the 8th known specimen and a NEW discovery by Stone! What a FIND!) >>
Yeh, that was a neat one to find. I can't tell you how many times I had to reassure myself that it really was a 101, and as rare as it was; I may have checked it 30 times! Needless to say I waited until the auction was over and when I could bid and attempt to win the coin (I unfortunately didn't win ), before I sent the attribution to Lane. This coin alone made this competition so much more exciting! I'm just really surprised this coin didn't go for more $$$, or wasn't noticed by more than myself and the winning bidder. The coin is probably worth $10,000 +/- $2,000 due to the cleaning! (The Top Pop for this variety is a lone EF-45, and is currently listed for sale at $100,000!!!!!)
I wasn't around here then, but what great things to do, especially on behalf of the originator and judge. Some really great things came of it as well , not to mention the added experience that everyone gained.
Comments
Members
Barndog = 8
Billet7 = 97
fengk = 11
fishteeth = 1
Quarternut = 93
SilverEagles92 = 0
Stone = 175
Summary
Total submitted = 439
Correct = 412
Incorrect = 27
Disqualifed = 3 (attribution on holder or in description)
Notes on scoring per Andy's rules:
Correct attribution equals +1
Incorrect attribution equals -1
Clarifications:
Submissions where the coin is already attributed in the description or on the holder are disqualified and receive a score of 0 for that attribution.
Example: astrorat submits 21 attributions. One has an attribution in the description, eighteen are correct, and two are incorrect.
Score is calculated as 18 (correct) - 2 (incorrect) = 16.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Members
Barndog = 8
Billet7 = 97
fengk = 11
fishteeth = 1
Quarternut = 93
SilverEagles92 = 0
Stone = 188
Summary
Total submitted = 455
Correct = 429
Incorrect = 27
Disqualifed = 4 (attribution on holder or in description)
Notes on scoring per Andy's rules:
Correct attribution equals +1
Incorrect attribution equals -1
Clarifications:
Submissions where the coin is already attributed in the description or on the holder are disqualified and receive a score of 0 for that attribution.
Example: astrorat submits 21 attributions. One has an attribution in the description, eighteen are correct, and two are incorrect.
Score is calculated as 18 (correct) - 2 (incorrect) = 16.
Edited to change formatting.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
MrEureka, you underestimated the drive we CBH collectors have
<< <i>It's a trap. Hes buying all the vam cherries and making you do the work to find them! >>
I found one Overton cherry, a coin with a Pop of 7!!!, and didn't PM Lane about it until after the auction was over.
I'm such a good friend
And P.S. I went after that coin, but was sniped at the last second by the only other bidder in the auction!
<< <i>It's a trap. Hes buying all the vam cherries and making you do the work to find them! >>
Well...if I were trying to cherry all the VAMs, I am certainly going about it the wrong way! I probably should have volunteered to judge a VAM attribution contest rather than an Overton attribution contest.
It's tough to cherry an CBH Overton variety on eBay as there are way too many eyes looking for R-5s and above.
So far, based on the contest entries, I have picked up four R-5s, two R-6s, one R-7, and one "unknown" variety. I'm just kidding, of course.
Lane
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Members
Barndog = 8
Billet7 = 97
fengk = 16
fishteeth = 1
Quarternut = 100
SilverEagles92 = 0
Stone = 201
Summary
Total submitted = 484
Correct = 452
Incorrect = 29
Disqualifed = 4 (attribution on holder or in description)
Notes on scoring per Andy's rules:
Correct attribution equals +1
Incorrect attribution equals -1
Clarifications:
Submissions where the coin is already attributed in the description or on the holder are disqualified and receive a score of 0 for that attribution.
Example: astrorat submits 21 attributions. One has an attribution in the description, eighteen are correct, and two are incorrect.
Score is calculated as 18 (correct) - 2 (incorrect) = 16.
Edited to change formatting.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
<< <i>Lane must still be counting all the attributions I sent him
I've been to busy posting to the Bust Quarter thread to send him anymore in the last few days...
QN
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Hey...I gotta a real job too, ya know!
Lane
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Friday Morning's Standings
Members
Barndog = 8
Billet7 = 97
fengk = 16
fishteeth = 1
Quarternut = 100
SilverEagles92 = 0
Stone = 221
Summary
Total submitted = 508
Correct = 474
Incorrect = 30
Disqualifed = 4 (attribution on holder or in description)
Notes on scoring per Andy's rules:
Correct attribution equals +1
Incorrect attribution equals -1
Clarifications:
Submissions where the coin is already attributed in the description or on the holder are disqualified and receive a score of 0 for that attribution.
Example: astrorat submits 21 attributions. One has an attribution in the description, eighteen are correct, and two are incorrect.
Score is calculated as 18 (correct) - 2 (incorrect) = 16.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Members
Barndog = 8
Billet7 = 97
fengk = 16
fishteeth = 1
Quarternut = 100
SilverEagles92 = 0
Stone = 223
Summary
Total submitted = 510
Correct = 476
Incorrect = 30
Disqualifed = 4 (attribution on holder or in description)
Notes on scoring per Andy's rules:
Correct attribution equals +1
Incorrect attribution equals -1
Clarifications:
Submissions where the coin is already attributed in the description or on the holder are disqualified and receive a score of 0 for that attribution.
Example: astrorat submits 21 attributions. One has an attribution in the description, eighteen are correct, and two are incorrect.
Score is calculated as 18 (correct) - 2 (incorrect) = 16.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Members
Barndog = 8
Billet7 = 97
fengk = 39
fishteeth = 1
Quarternut = 121
SilverEagles92 = 0
Stone = 223
Summary
Total submitted = 557
Correct = 521
Incorrect = 32
Disqualifed = 4 (attribution on holder or in description)
Notes on scoring per Andy's rules:
Correct attribution equals +1
Incorrect attribution equals -1
Clarifications:
Submissions where the coin is already attributed in the description or on the holder are disqualified and receive a score of 0 for that attribution.
Example: astrorat submits 21 attributions. One has an attribution in the description, eighteen are correct, and two are incorrect.
Score is calculated as 18 (correct) - 2 (incorrect) = 16.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Members
Barndog = 8
Billet7 = 131
fengk = 96
fishteeth = 1
Quarternut = 134
SilverEagles92 = 0
Stone = 223
Summary
Total submitted = 671
Correct = 627
Incorrect = 34
Disqualifed = 10 (attribution on holder or in description)
Notes on scoring per Andy's rules:
Correct attribution equals +1
Incorrect attribution equals -1
Clarifications:
Submissions where the coin is already attributed in the description or on the holder are disqualified and receive a score of 0 for that attribution.
Example: astrorat submits 21 attributions. One has an attribution in the description, eighteen are correct, and two are incorrect.
Score is calculated as 18 (correct) - 2 (incorrect) = 16. >>
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Members
Barndog = 8
Billet7 = 131
fengk = 96
fishteeth = 1
Quarternut = 154
SilverEagles92 = 0
Stone = 223
Summary
Total submitted = 691
Correct = 647
Incorrect = 34
Disqualifed = 10 (attribution on holder or in description)
Notes on scoring per Andy's rules:
Correct attribution equals +1
Incorrect attribution equals -1
Clarifications:
Submissions where the coin is already attributed in the description or on the holder are disqualified and receive a score of 0 for that attribution.
Example: astrorat submits 21 attributions. One has an attribution in the description, eighteen are correct, and two are incorrect.
Score is calculated as 18 (correct) - 2 (incorrect) = 16.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
"The contest: How many different UNATTRIBUTED Bust Half varieties can you find..."
Apparently, some people, Lane included, thought that meant that duplicate finds of the same variety should be counted, when they shouldn't have been.
To settle the matter, Lane is going to recalculate the results. I'll still provide three prizes, even if three people don't hit 100. But the spirit of the contest was supposed to be that of building virtual collections and hunting for varieties that you "need", and I want the prizes awarded by those rules. Especially because I plan to do the same thing again next year, and we should be consistent with the rules.
BTW, since the counts are about to come way down, fighting your way into the top three just became a lot easier. So get to work, slackers!
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Lane
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
The updated standings reflect Andy's clarifications on his intent with the competition.
Members
Barndog = 8
Billet7 = 69
fengk = 91
fishteeth = 1
Quarternut = 118
SilverEagles92 = 0
Stone = 223
Summary
Total submitted = 691
Correct = 538
Incorrect = 28
Duplicate Varieties = 115*
Disqualifed = 10 (attribution on holder or in description)
*Note: Duplicate submissions were omitted it the scoring since a contestant would have not submitted a duplicate variety knowing it would not be counted.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Members
Barndog = 8
Billet7 = 86
fengk = 101
fishteeth = 1
Quarternut = 118
SilverEagles92 = 0
Stone = 223
Summary
Total submitted = 751
Correct = 568
Incorrect = 31
Duplicate Varieties = 140*
Disqualifed = 12 (attribution on holder or in description)
*Note: Duplicate submissions were omitted it the scoring since a contestant would have not submitted a duplicate variety knowing it would not be counted.
Edited for fomatting.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Edited to add ... Just to clarify, no submissions will be accepted after midnight tonight, according to the official Collectors Universe time stamp.
Lane
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
<< <i>Just a few hours left ...
Edited to add ... Just to clarify, no submissions will be accepted after midnight tonight, according to the official Collectors Universe time stamp.
Lane >>
Which Time Zone was that 'Midnight' referring to?
But it is past midnight in the Rocky Mountains...
Lane
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
*First Place* is Stone with a score of 223
*Second Place* is Quarternut with a score of 118
*Third Place* is fengk with a score of 101
Honorable Mention
Billet7 with a score of 86
Barndog with a score of 8
fishteeth with a score of 1
SilverEagles92 with a score of 0
Submission Summary
Total submitted = 751
Correct = 568
Incorrect = 31
Duplicate Varieties = 140
Disqualifed = 12 (attribution on holder or in description)
Well done, everyone!
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Congrats to Stone and the rest of the competition. That early lead proved insurmountable.
I find attributing from images generally to be too much of a challenge.
<< <i>Astrorat, how many R4s and above? Any cherries off the bay as a result? Gotta be a Paul Harvey to this....
Congrats to Stone and the rest of the competition. That early lead proved insurmountable.
I find attributing from images generally to be too much of a challenge. >>
Thanks Jay for the regards, as well Lane for making this competition happen!
My goal was to get a large, early lead and try to overwhelm the competition.
I honestly didn't think I had the time to attribute so many coins, especially when this competition started right before college finals!
BUT, it turned out that I had much more free-time to attribute than I first realized, and I took to attributing small groups of coins at a time
Total number of correct submissions - 568
Total number of unique eBay listings - 487
Total number of unique Overton die marriages - 303
Draped Bust halves - 38
Capped Bust halves - 265 (well over HALF a full CBH Overton die marriage set!)
Draped Bust Half Rarities - 3 listings for R5 and above
1794 O-105 R5 in NGC-20 did not sell for opening bid of $15,000
1795 O-101 R7 was a cleaned VG-10? that sold for $2,356 (YIKES! It was the 8th known specimen and a NEW discovery by Stone! What a FIND!)
1806 O-125a R5 in VF-10 that did not sell for a BIN of $726
Capped Bust Half Rarities - 3 listings for R4+ (none higher than R4+)
1814 O-106 R4+ in EF-40 sold for $180 (Nice)
1822 O-102 in EF-40 not sold with a BIN of $1,000 (no surprise)
1829 O-118 in VF-20 sold for $69 (WOW!!)
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
<< <i>1795 O-101 R7 was a cleaned VG-10? that sold for $2,356 (YIKES! It was the 8th known specimen and a NEW discovery by Stone! What a FIND!) >>
Yeh, that was a neat one to find. I can't tell you how many times I had to reassure myself that it really was a 101, and as rare as it was; I may have checked it 30 times! Needless to say I waited until the auction was over and when I could bid and attempt to win the coin (I unfortunately didn't win
<< <i>That's the Paul Harvey I was looking for! Too bad Stone's bid did not win her. That rip could fund quite a few holes in Stone's collection! >>
More to the point of paying off my undergrad expenses, or further graduate school costs...
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Ok WINNERS, I've got the prizes.
I've made my selection, and will be mailing the 2 runner ups once 2nd place let's me know which one he wants.
Not the best pics, but I don't care, they're decent
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Hey Andy...you picked some nice prizes!
Congrats again to the winners!
Lane
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
I sure wish I would have understood the rules correctly, perhaps I could have given you more run for your money!
As to the prizes, looks like you picked the most interesting one for sure! And congratulations on your win!
It is a hard choice to make between the two remaining coins, however I guess I will take the 1829.
Thanks again Andy for putting up the prizes!
QN
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Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
KUDOS to all !!